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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    It kinda reminds me of the "if I do not have kids I should not have to pay for public schools" argument. It simply comes off as heartless to me.

    I know Dan is a good and cool dude though.
    While they in fact may be cesspools of ineffectiveness, inefficiency, and incompetence, it can be argued that public schools do contribute to the general welfare because they are necessary to a thriving and growing economy from which all benefit. What business is going to locate in a town without schools?

    But a social contract in which everybody contributes to a common school system open to all is a very different thing than requiring everybody to contribute to a private or parochial school system that picks and chooses what students will be accepted.

    It is also different than requiring everybody to fund a program, however worthy, that subsidizes lunches for some students but not all.
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

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    Also for the record, some of us Pagans are conservative.

    Very True. I did not mean to imply nor suggest there are no Pagan conservatives. Sorry if I came off that way
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Exactly. If I refuse to pay my taxes then guys with guns will come after me...
    You see, when you say "exactly" you're claiming that I said the same thing you did I didn't.

    As anyone reading this thread can see.

    People evade taxes as part of bigger criminal endeavor do go to jail--do you think that's wrong?

    Look, if you want to go live in the woods and make a living building furniture for people, go for it. I won't tell. But when you get old and can't build furniture anymore, just craw into a grave and cover yourself with dirt, because if you try to collect social security, you're stealing our money.

    But if you want to drive around on public roads, get mail from the USPS, and use 100 other public services... Then shut-up and pay your way like the rest of us.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You see, when you say "exactly" you're claiming that I said the same thing you did I didn't.

    As anyone reading this thread can see.

    People evade taxes as part of bigger criminal endeavor do go to jail--do you think that's wrong?
    Do you have a learning disability or something? It seems like the simplest concepts escape you with some regularity. Let's start from the beginning, shall we?

    1. SA said the government uses force and the threat of force to redistribute personal wealth.

    2. You took issue with his use of the term "machine gun" as an illustration of this fact.

    3. I showed you that the government uses force and the threat of force to redistribute personal wealth.

    4. You went off on an irrelevant tangent in an attempt to create a strawman about the morality of tax evasion.

    5.

    Look, if you want to go live in the woods and make a living building furniture for people, go for it. I won't tell. But when you get old and can't build furniture anymore, just craw into a grave and cover yourself with dirt, because if you try to collect social security, you're stealing our money.
    Even if I wanted to draw on SS I couldn't, since all the money will have been plundered by you old useless people. Nice little ponzi scheme you got going there...

    But if you want to drive around on public roads, get mail from the USPS, and use 100 other public services... Then shut-up and pay your way like the rest of us.
    There's a big difference between Federal and State services. You should learn about it.

    Oh, and I don't care about the USPS. The private sector can easily replace it.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There's a big difference between Federal and State services. You should learn about it.

    Oh, and I don't care about the USPS. The private sector can easily replace it.
    Which ones, state or federal, public services are paid for with tax dollars?

    A)State
    B)Federal
    C)Both

    How many do you use day?

    Did your alarm go off this morning? Electricity...

    Where you robbed last night? Police...

    Did you get water for your coffee? Water management...

    I could on all day long. It's uneducated folks who don't get how much government really does for them...

    By the way, did you drive on any roads that weren't dirt...

    And if know a way that UPS or FEDEX can deliver a box for $4.80 (Priority Mail) you should apply for a job as their CEO...

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    I thought you might ignore the majority of my post and opt for a selective retort which contained nothing of worth...

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Which ones, state or federal, public services are paid for with tax dollars?

    A)State
    B)Federal
    C)Both
    You missed the point - no surprise there.

    Name one thing the NEA or SS does for me. Go ahead, name one.

    Did your alarm go off this morning? Electricity...

    Where you robbed last night? Police...

    Did you get water for your coffee? Water management...
    All locally funded via Constitutionally permissible government agencies.

    See the difference yet or are you going to opt for more fail?

    I could on all day long. It's uneducated folks who don't get how much government really does for them...
    I used to work for the government, so I know how much they do for us. Problem is, not every single government agency in existence actually benefits the general welfare, a fact you seem to struggle with.

    And if know a way that UPS or FEDEX can deliver a box for $4.80 (Priority Mail) you should apply for a job as their CEO...
    I'm sure they could if, like the USPS, they were able to indefinitely subsidize their loses with tax money. Are you one of those people that thinks the USPS uses magic to keep their costs lower than UPS or FEDEX? Magic's not real, you know...

    USPS News Release: Postal Service Ends Third Quarter with $2.4 Billion Loss

    P.S. - The USPS is an Enumerated Power in the US Constitution.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You do know there are poor people in this country right? People who have to chose between $5 of gas to drive to work and $5 to buy something to eat for their kids?

    "Are there no prisons?", asked Scrooge.
    "Plenty of prisons", said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
    "And the Union workhouses?", demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
    "They are. Still", returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."
    "The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?", said Scrooge.
    "Both very busy, sir."
    "Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course", said Scrooge. "I'm very glad to hear it."


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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You do know there are poor people in this country right? People who have to chose between $5 of gas to drive to work and $5 to buy something to eat for their kids?



    Where?


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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

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    Where?


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    A very good question.
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    "-According to the Bread for the World Institute 3.5 percent of U.S. households experience hunger. Some people in these households frequently skip meals or eat too little, sometimes going without food for a whole day. 9.6 million people, including 3 million children, live in these homes.

    -America's Second Harvest (Feeding America: Hunger-Relief Charity | FeedingAmerica.org), the nation's largest network of food banks, reports that 23.3 million people turned to the agencies they serve in 2001, an increase of over 2 million since 1997. Forty percent were from working families."

    Some Statistics on Poverty in America
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