"I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776
However to answer your question where to draw the line. I think it is impossible to answer because every situation has different details. This is one of the reasons its so easy to fight about welfare. It allows everyone to project their own personal views onto someone they have seen on society because that is what they are already sensitive too.
Last edited by tacomancer; 02-17-10 at 02:35 PM.
Glad I could entertain. Which opinions specifically do you find the most evil?Wow. I hate to say it Panache, but the opinions you are expressing are pretty much meeting one of my personal definitions of evil. This is a simply stunning conversation to witness.
I find the opinion that irresponsible parents need to be coddled to be evil. I understand that there is no sense punishing the children for their parents' irresponsibility, but when you pick up the slack for parents who can't cut it and incentivize them to continue being irresponsible, you really aren't doing the kids any favours.
If parents can feed their kids, they need to feed their kids. If they can't feed their kids, the kids need to be taken away. The parents can get them back once they are ready to take care of them.
The vast majority of parents will find ways to take care of their kids before it ever comes to that. The vast majority of the remainder will get their lives in order in a hurry.
If their mom gets hit by a truck running a red light and is in a coma, that is certainly not her fault or theirs, but she is no longer able to do the job, so the children need someone else to take care of them. Giving government assistance to the mother in the coma isn't going to magically make her able to do the job. The same goes for parents who can't get their act together for their children's sake.
Liblady--Thanks for sharing that information because it was a great example of how the safety nets we have in place work.
Your mom used that safety net in exactly the way it was meant to be used....as a helping hand over a rough period. You provided a prime example of why these types of safety nets are necessary.
Here's something else to chew on: Women of a certain age were taught to make the bed they had made (some still are). Contraception wasn't even on the market not too long ago! The June Cleavers who were brought up to make the world bright and cheery on the outside while suffering a horrible personal life still exist in 2010.
And, people change. The darling you married can evolve into an alcoholic abuser no matter how long you've known them prior to marrying. Life is nothing but constant change.
I'm sorry that some posters took your example of how the system can work perfectly and turned it into something ugly.
I would chat with her when I'm feeling particularly snarky, but I wouldn't ever call her on the phone.
Having a kid is a 20 year long process. If the requirement was the complete ability to predict all future situations before birth, the human race would die out in a generation.
Snow days mean kids can get their shovels out and earn cash to buy food.