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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    it's also not fair to my mother....who raised us, with gov't assistance for a relatively short period of time, (about 2 years).

    now, i pay my taxes and expect them to be used as a hand up to those who need it. i sincerely hope those of you who belittle people who receive assistance someday find yourselves begging for help, and some ****ed up self righteous asshole kicks you in the gut and tells YOU that you made poor choices, too bad.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I didn't suggest it was her fault or the fault of her siblings. Her mom and dad are to blame. They produced far too many offspring before they were ready to produce any.



    People should take as long as they need to know who they are marrying before they do so. Certainly they should figure out that someone is a no-good alcoholic abuser-type before having five kids with him.
    Question: What if the mentioned husband goes off to war, has some trauma, and then becomes an alcoholic?

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I didn't suggest it was her fault or the fault of her siblings. Her mom and dad are to blame. They produced far too many offspring before they were ready to produce any.
    That's fine but being so inflammatory towards a person who had no control is wrong.
    Being a libertarian also includes having ethics and is not just about being resistant to all forms of government welfare.

    It is unethical to punish those who did nothing wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    People should take as long as they need to know who they are marrying before they do so. Certainly they should figure out that someone is a no-good alcoholic abuser-type before having five kids with him.
    Like I said hindsight is 20/20, sometimes people change or mask their true identity.
    It's not always so cut and dry.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Question: What if the mentioned husband goes off to war, has some trauma, and then becomes an alcoholic?
    Then that particular aspect would be much more understandable.

    That wasn't what she said though.

    my mother married a no good alcoholic man
    This implies that he was already a scumbag when she married him.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So you infer I am an "ignorant ass" because you need a definition of "nutrition?" Interesting.
    If you dish it out, you should be able to take it. And yes, we need to agree on what is and is not "nutritious" and making an assumption that this is common knowledge not needing to be defined is disingenuous at best.

    To remind you - you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    Only an idiot does not know the difference between nutritious and junk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    Please point out where I said I was?
    Sure... you made a blanket statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by Backdog
    Poor people trying to provide for the children, who are making an effort should not lose them because they need a little help.
    You didn't say "some Poor people" you stated as fact... and therefore you placed yourself in the position of speaking for all poor people. I'm just saying you're not so don't assume and generalize all poor people. Some poor people may not be making an effort, and some poor people don't care about their kids at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Backdog
    Maybe to someone who does not understand blanket generalizations of poor people don't cut it.
    Generalizations are a bad idea in all cases.


    Quote Originally Posted by Backdog
    That's great, and a far cry from the post I responded to. Here let me refresh your memory...

    "185 days without lunch sounds like child abuse to me. Where's the state's division of youth in this and why aren't these kids being taken away from their parents and being put in homes where they can get 3 meals a day again?" - Ockham Post #101

    No place do you mention anything about anyone abusing the system etc.
    Correct. I mention that in post #104 and #105.


    Quote Originally Posted by Backdog
    Throwing out the baby with the bath water as you have suggested is not an answer.
    I don't see DYFS as being a throw the baby out scenario. I find it an alternative method to allow parents time to get on their feet, and puts the children in a temporary home where they can get all the necessities they deserve. However, I also stated in this thread how tools must be provided so the poor can help themselves. Those who do not want to help themselves are parasites and should, after a period of time (I mentioned a cap on the amount of time assistance should be provided) should be cut off from getting any State assistance.

    My overall view is welfare and this type of assistance at a Federal level is un-Constitutional, which I discussed and disagreed with SouthernDemocrat who felt that the courts have upheld it so far, therefore it's Constitutional.
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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand that but children do not have the power to choose how they are brought up.
    They have no choice of who their parents are.

    If I had things my way, I would horse whip ****ty parents with no remorse.
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    No they don't, and we, as part of the social contract we have adopted, are committed and obligated to see that children are not abused or neglected. So, all 50 states have laws defining criminal abuse and neglect and all 50 states have provisions to remove children from homes where they are criminally abused or neglected. And anybody who would willfully allow children to remain in such a home is as bad as those who criminally abuse or neglect their kids.

    Again, I have no problem offering a helping hand to parents who, through no fault of their own, need temporary help or who want to break an irresponsible cycle. I've devoted a good portion of my life doing exactly that. But kids should grow up watching their parents earning their income, managing a household, balancing a budget, and paying their bills. If they grow up seeing mom and dad subsist on a government check, they are far more likely to accept that as a normal way of life and perpetuate that cycle.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Then that particular aspect would be much more understandable.

    That wasn't what she said though.



    This implies that he was already a scumbag when she married him.
    Its not cut and dry even then though. For example, many women who marry abusive husbands have very real self esteem problems or other issues. Telling them they are a bad person will do nothing to help them resolve this. All one would be doing by reacting and saying "its your fault" is making the problem worse by giving that person yet another reason to continue self destructive behavior.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's also not fair to my mother....who raised us, with gov't assistance for a relatively short period of time, (about 2 years).
    You may think that if you like. The fact remains that she needed government assistance because she was not capable of taking care of you. Not being able to take care of your children is the very definition of incompetent parenting.

    now, i pay my taxes and expect them to be used as a hand up to those who need it. i sincerely hope those of you who belittle people who receive assistance someday find yourselves begging for help, and some ****ed up self righteous asshole kicks you in the gut and tells YOU that you made poor choices, too bad.
    It's cute that you want me to experience poverty so that I will "finally know what its like" but I have already done the poverty thing. I just wasn't foolish enough to produce offspring and expect everyone else to pick up the slack.

    I am sorry that you and your siblings were born into such unfortunate circumstances. You certainly can't help who your parents are.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Wow. I hate to say it Panache, but the opinions you are expressing are pretty much meeting one of my personal definitions of evil. This is a simply stunning conversation to witness.

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    Re: Snow days mean less food for many students

    Its not cut and dry even then though. For example, many women who marry abusive husbands have very real self esteem problems or other issues. Telling them they are a bad person will do nothing to help them resolve this. All one would be doing by reacting and saying "its your fault" is making the problem worse by giving that person yet another reason to continue self destructive behavior.
    Ok, but having self esteem problems and other issues doesn't magically make them fit to be a parent.

    You can tell them that they aren't a bad person and that they just need to get their life in order before they can take responsibility for their children again.

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