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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Good Catch!

    Now, squeeze him for some intel, then give a double tap to the head and let's get on with destroying the enemy's ability to wage war.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Good Catch!

    Now, squeeze him for some intel, then give a double tap to the head and let's get on with destroying the enemy's ability to wage war.
    I can't believe I actually agree with apdst.

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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

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    I can't believe I actually agree with apdst.

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    Even you can exhibit common sense sometimes, Arch...
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Even you can exhibit common sense sometimes, Arch...
    Low blow, ass hole
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Timmy McVeigh one of these 257 individuals and my first example shows why this argument is irrelevant. Not captured abroad by our military, many were probably US citizens who do belong in civilian courts.

    We are speaking about non US citizens not afforded rights captured by our military or obviously having information vital to US national interests.

    And it's interesting you'd speak to the 257...and not acknowledge the KSM trial being considered in the US. This decison to try this Cat in civilian court comes directly after Obama's decision to suspend military tribunals, comes after his broken promise at Gitmo leaving these detainee's fates undecided, and comes after he's suggested we give KSM a civilan trial.

    And then to think Obama also decided to send some of these detainees to military commissions while giving KSM civilian trials proves he's winging it.

    Why not simply admit it, D? This was a class A bone up. This man should have been interogated immediately and by trained interrogators, not mirandized like a common criminal. The excuse making for this inept comander in Chief isn't necessary nor sound.
    Everyone has rights. The US Constitution does not exclusively apply to citizens. Courts have repeatedly upheld that these are rules the US government must abide by, period.

    On the battlefield you get to shoot people. Once they're in custody you have rules that must be followed.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Low blow, ass hole
    Hugs to ya, bro!...
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Everyone has rights. The US Constitution does not exclusively apply to citizens. Courts have repeatedly upheld that these are rules the US government must abide by, period.

    On the battlefield you get to shoot people. Once they're in custody you have rules that must be followed.
    That's why this guy should be squeezed, then iced. Problem solved.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Too bad under Obama he has the right to remain silent
    Obama's made it explicitly clear that the rights you're referring to don't automatically inhere for those detained on the battlefield.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    So I guess its pure accident that he is having victories in Afg far beyond anything Bush accomplished in 8 years? Because he doesn't have a clue about military matters right? And he's just lucky that the troop casualties in Iraq have dropped to almost zero, because he just doesn't understand the military, right?
    Are you actually arguing that Iraq has gotten safer because of Obama? Jesus christ. Here's the fatality numbers:

    iCasualties | OIF | Iraq | Fatalities By Month

    Bush's last 6 months are absolutely indistinguishable from Obama's first 6 months. The reduced fatalities and increased stability are 100% due to the stabilization and withdrawal plan that Bush set in motion and that Obama continued.

    As to increased successes in Afgh. - you're right, things have gotten better there, and Obama deserves much credit for deciding to send the necessary troops to allow that to happen. I think you're being a bit biased to claim that Obama is having successes beyond what Bush had, given that the surge could never have happened without the framework that was already in place. War, like the economy, is not a month to month who's better than who issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No, I'm right. Obama has promised civilian rights to terrorists.
    No, he absolutely has not. He has explicitly stated otherwise in numerous court filings which have reiterated Bush administration policy toward detainees.

    The fact that he decided to give some rights to some terrorists does not mean that he gave them all to all.

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    Oh groan. Boy I wish you would do the smallest bit of research before posting this tired liberal argument.

    We had not received the Supreme Court's ruling when the 20th hijacker and Richard Reed were charged. We have that ability now under the law to use military tribunals for enemy combatants.
    You're actually arguing that Bush wanted to detain and hold these people, but couldn't because he was waiting for a Supreme Court ruling? That is a gross misunderstanding of what happened.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    So I guess its pure accident that he is having victories in Afg far beyond anything Bush accomplished in 8 years? Because he doesn't have a clue about military matters right? And he's just lucky that the troop casualties in Iraq have dropped to almost zero, because he just doesn't understand the military, right?
    Which of PBO's policies have caused anything in Iraq? We'll be waiting.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Just checking....has Obama had the man Mirandized yet? When will his trial in New York happen?

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