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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Oh groan. Boy I wish you would do the smallest bit of research before posting this tired liberal argument.

    We had not received the Supreme Court's ruling when the 20th hijacker and Richard Reed were charged. We have that ability now under the law to use military tribunals for enemy combatants.




    So is your severe understanding and knowledge of basic history.
    I call BS on that statement. Since the very beginning, the Bush administration was using Gitmo to house what was termed "unlawful combatants". It was the Bush administration's DECISION to try Reid in a civilian court.

    Reid's case has recaptured the spotlight following the failed bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day and the debate over the Obama administration's decision to try the Nigerian suspect in the case, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, in a civilian court instead of a military tribunal.


    Supporters of that policy have pointed to the Bush administration's DECISION to try Reid in a federal court, where he pleaded guilty in 2003 to trying to blow up a jumbo jet in late 2001 with explosives in his shoes.
    From this article.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Most liberals supported the war in Afghanistan, and supported the war on terror.
    Patriot Act? Electronic surveillance? Company record access? Gitmo? Enemy Combatants held without rights?

    Please, your memory failures quite amusing.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I call BS on that statement. Since the very beginning, the Bush administration was using Gitmo to house what was termed "unlawful combatants". It was the Bush administration's DECISION to try Reid in a civilian court.
    Gitmo housing those captured abroad by our military or other nations, Reid arrested by civilian authorities and charged in two days with "interfering with the performance of duties of flight crew members by assault or intimidation."

    All of this deflects from the fact that Obama doesn't have a clue as to what to do. Again, to take this case isolated from his ending the military commissions ongoing at Gitmo and breaking his promise to close that facility is telling.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I call BS on that statement. Since the very beginning, the Bush administration was using Gitmo to house what was termed "unlawful combatants". It was the Bush administration's DECISION to try Reid in a civilian court.
    WRONG. The supreme court had not even heard the case yet. Bush housed them before the decisions were made and Mousowi was in the US as was Reid so it was not like the terrorists captured on the battlefield that Bush put in Gitmo.

    And Reid plead guilty in case you forgot.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I call BS on that statement. Ö It was the Bush administration's DECISION to try Reid in a civilian court. Ö
    To follow-up on this point, with a quote from the recent Cheney interview regarding processing Richard Reed, the shoe bomber, through the civilian system of justice.

    Excerpted from ď'This Week' Transcript: Former Vice President Dick Cheney,Ē transcript, ABC News, Feb. 14, 2010
    KARL: But you still had an option to put him into military custody.

    CHENEY: Well, we could have put him into military custody. I don't -- I don't question that. The point is, in this particular case, all of that was never worked out, primarily because he pled guilty.
    It should be pointed out, too, that Richard Reed only plead guilty in October, 2002, ten months after he was arrested in December, 2001.Ļ

    All these smoke screens about Supreme Court decisions and Reed pleading guilty is just avoiding the point that the Bush administration consistently used the civilian justice system for people arrested on American soil.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    WRONG. The supreme court had not even heard the case yet. Bush housed them before the decisions were made and Mousowi was in the US as was Reid so it was not like the terrorists captured on the battlefield that Bush put in Gitmo.

    And Reid plead guilty in case you forgot.
    It is you who is wrong. Bush had the option of putting both in military custody, long before the Supreme Court decision.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Patriot Act? Electronic surveillance? Company record access? Gitmo? Enemy Combatants held without rights?

    Please, your memory failures quite amusing.
    The Patriot Act passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66), including 145 Yea votes by Democrats.Ļ

    It passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1) with only Senator Feingold voting against it.

    So much for your memory.
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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Oh groan. Boy I wish you would do the smallest bit of research before posting this tired liberal argument.

    We had not received the Supreme Court's ruling when the 20th hijacker and Richard Reed were charged. We have that ability now under the law to use military tribunals for enemy combatants.
    Which supreme court ruling was that? Name the case. The Bush administration had ample time to set up the tribunals before trying the 20th hijacker and Richard Reid. The supreme court didnt reject the tribunals until 2006 in Hamdan v Rumsfeld. Bush gave the military order on Nov 13 2001 to set up the tribunals. Moussaoui was indicted on December 11th 2001 and convicted in 2006 Reid was tried in October of 2002 and convicted in January of 2003. The Bush administration had ample time to try both in tribunals but decided to try them in Civilian courts.

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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Gitmo housing those captured abroad by our military or other nations, Reid arrested by civilian authorities and charged in two days with "interfering with the performance of duties of flight crew members by assault or intimidation."

    All of this deflects from the fact that Obama doesn't have a clue as to what to do. Again, to take this case isolated from his ending the military commissions ongoing at Gitmo and breaking his promise to close that facility is telling.
    KSM was captured by Pakistani intelligence in his Apartment. The military commissions were put on hold already after the supreme court once again found them inadequate in Boumediene v Bush. Since 2007 3 cases were tried in the tribunals. 1 guy got 9 months and was deported to Australia to serve. The other two cases were dismissed pending revisions in the tribunals.

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    Re: Secret Joint Raid Captures Talibanís Top Commander

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    KSM was captured by Pakistani intelligence in his Apartment.
    Guess that's why I started the post you just responded to with:"Gitmo housing those captured abroad by our military or other nations"

    The military commissions were put on hold already after the supreme court once again found them inadequate in Boumediene v Bush. Since 2007 3 cases were tried in the tribunals. 1 guy got 9 months and was deported to Australia to serve. The other two cases were dismissed pending revisions in the tribunals.
    Obama suspends military commissions, may close Guantanamo

    On his first day at the new job, President Barack Obama intervened in the trials of Guantanamo detainees -- accused members of al Qaeda -- suspending the use of controversial military commissions until at least May. The new president's team is also, reportedly, preparing an order to close the much-criticized detention center at Guantanamo Bay. If Obama follows through on both counts, it would be a major step toward fulfilling a key civil liberties promise of his campaign.
    But then...in his typical flip flop weak spined manner:

    Obama resurrects military trials for terror suspects - CNN.com

    "These reforms will begin to restore the commissions as a legitimate forum for prosecution, while bringing them in line with the rule of law," Obama said.
    A ping pong President, like watching a tennis match, your neck gets sore as he policies bounce all over the court.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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