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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is this what the majority of students take?
    If you're looking to go to a UC school, Yes.

    I can't speak for other states.

    California high schools in middle and upper income districts have become ultra-competitive. Even CSU's are more difficult to get in to.

    Applications are done at home.
    Done at home.
    Um... Which would cut into the 2-3 hours of homework you have a night if you're taking the classes that will qualify you for admission to a college or university...


    Isn't working for California.
    You want to back that up with something or are you just doing that talking out of your ass thing again?

    Done outside of school.
    Again, the point seems to have gone right over your head -- 12th Grade service projects are usually done in the summer/fall of 12 Grade... If you stop going to high school after 11th Grade...??


    Not done during school hours anyway.
    So, high school athletics and performing arts are not done (practiced) at the high school during 6th Period?

    Do you EVER think before opening your mouth?

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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you really believe that 1 year less of high school equals ignorance?

    I had to take and pass my graduation exams in 11th grade.
    If I pass them then what was the point of 12th grade?
    Well if we continue to pay governors and other state representatives more than they're worth while they cut funding for education just so they can vote themselves cost of living raises what's the point in having government in the first place?
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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I screwed around a lot between 9-11th grade, enough to put me behind a year and a half(in credits) but I still passed my graduation test in 11th grade.

    If you can pass the graduation test, you should be able to move on.
    I agree -- depending on you goals in life.

    But there are some real-world college requirements that most people can't make in 3 years.

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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Comparing a country with no real history of education with one that does have a history of some real form of education does not make a good argument.

    United States ≠ 3rd world country

    And just to stop you short, we weren't a 3rd world country before we had government schools.



    United States ≠ 3rd world country yet. We're working on it, and one of the problems is that our education system is behind that of many other countries.

    BTW, just how long do you think we've had "government" schools in this country? Try looking up the "Old Deluder Satan Act" and see.

    Say, Goldenboy219, did you end up going to college? Was it purely atheletic, or were there some academics also?

    I would have thought your high school English class would have addressed the difference between went and gone. Maybe it did, and you weren't listening. lol
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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Very interesting coming from a libertarian. I would think you'd find other options to make up the difference like home schooling.
    Some things have to be done collectively, i.e., by the government. Education is one of them. The Libertarian in me would close the federal Department of Education, but the states need to provide public education.
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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why not encourage homeschooling? Statistics say home schoolers are better educated and plus it costs the state nothing. Schools have become nothing but a center for undisciplined teens to do everything but school. I blame the culture and the education system. Self discipline is on the decline, and without that we are going to fail in many more areas than education.
    Homeschooling is a bad idea because not every parent can provide the education needed to children, especially high school seniors who are making the transition to college or university.

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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Some things have to be done collectively, i.e., by the government. Education is one of them. The Libertarian in me would close the federal Department of Education, but the states need to provide public education.
    I would never close the federal Department of Education. Instead, I would retask it to coordinate administration among the states. By that, I mean grading systems and computer programs. This is to make it easier for teachers to track the progress made by students who have to move from one district to another or from one state to another.

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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    To the original post, I do not think cutting the 12th grade would be a good idea. My senior year was the year I realized my love for literature and helped me to hone my critical reading skills and develop my writing skills. It was the year that convinced me to study literature and learn how writers write. It was a pretty important year for me, and I wouldn't want to take that away from any student.

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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Well if we continue to pay governors and other state representatives more than they're worth while they cut funding for education just so they can vote themselves cost of living raises what's the point in having government in the first place?
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    Re: Utah Considers Cutting 12th Grade - Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I agree -- depending on you goals in life.

    But there are some real-world college requirements that most people can't make in 3 years.
    It all depends on the person but there are some very wasteful things in your senior year of high school.
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