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    Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    A majority of women believe some rape victims should take responsibility for what happened, a survey suggests.

    Almost three quarters of the women who believed this said if a victim got into bed with the assailant before an attack they should accept some responsibility.

    One-third blamed victims who had dressed provocatively or gone back to the attacker's house for a drink.

    The survey of more than 1,000 people in London marked the 10th anniversary of the Haven service for rape victims.

    More than half of those of both sexes questioned said there were some circumstances when a rape victim should accept responsibility for an attack.
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    I seem to remember a time when the mere fact a woman said "no" (and meant "NO") defined the boundaries - whatever the point in time in any sexual liasion. The man going beyond without permission was then commiting rape.

    This latest survey seems to take backward steps for women and rape victims when it is widely acknowledged that prosections for rape in the UK have a poor record.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    I was just talking about this with a friend.

    My guess, as poorly-thought-out as it is, would be that some women put blame partially on the victim because it's preferable for them to think that all a woman has to do to avoid being raped is to avoid making the mistakes/choices that the victim has made. To accept that the victim is just unlucky is to accept that they could be equally as unlucky, which is a scary prospect for anyone.

    It's easier to think "She acted stupid, I wouldn't make that mistake" than "She was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I could be unlucky too". The illusion that a woman chooses to get herself into a situation where she will be raped unfortunately gives the comfort that others could avoid it simply by making different choices in the same situation.

    The person to blame in a rape is the rapist. In the end, they made the choice.

    EDIT: Yes, the occasional exception to the contrary.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    I was just talking about this with a friend.

    My guess, as poorly-thought-out as it is, would be that some women put blame partially on the victim because it's preferable for them to think that all a woman has to do to avoid being raped is to avoid making the mistakes/choices that the victim has made. To accept that the victim is just unlucky is to accept that they could be equally as unlucky, which is a scary prospect for anyone.

    It's easier to think "She acted stupid, I wouldn't make that mistake" than "She was in the wrong place at the wrong time, I could be unlucky too". The illusion that a woman chooses to get herself into a situation where she will be raped unfortunately gives the comfort that others could avoid it simply by making different choices in the same situation.

    The person to blame in a rape is the rapist. In the end, they made the choice.

    EDIT: Yes, the occasional exception to the contrary.
    i think men should be outraged by this assumption. it implies that men are unable to control themselves.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
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    I seem to remember a time when the mere fact a woman said "no" (and meant "NO") defined the boundaries - whatever the point in time in any sexual liasion. The man going beyond without permission was then commiting rape.

    This latest survey seems to take backward steps for women and rape victims when it is widely acknowledged that prosections for rape in the UK have a poor record.
    I know, right, personal responsibility's a bitch.

    Legally speaking, exactly how would a woman take partial responsibility? Is she supposed to serve some jail time or what?

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    It would be interesting to see the religious and ethnic make up of the women surveyed. I only say this because I used to work with a couple of very religious immigrant women and they had absolutely appalling ideas about women who didn't live up to their "moral" standards. According to them, women who dress or act like tarts [their word] deserve everything they get. And trust me, even the slightest hint of cleavage or upper leg was dressing like a tart in their books!
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Antagony View Post
    It would be interesting to see the religious and ethnic make up of the women surveyed. I only say this because I used to work with a couple of very religious immigrant women and they had absolutely appalling ideas about women who didn't live up to their "moral" standards. According to them, women who dress or act like tarts [their word] deserve everything they get. And trust me, even the slightest hint of cleavage or upper leg was dressing like a tart in their books!
    that's a conditioned response, though. very religious women are often immersed in a patriarchal society, so they've been brought up to believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's a conditioned response, though. very religious women are often immersed in a patriarchal society, so they've been brought up to believe that.
    Oh I quite agree. I'm just saying that the survey results may be skewed by a disproportionate number of such women being interviewed, as I find it hard to believe the figures quoted in the article are representative of UK women in general.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

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    Whenever something bad happens to you there are always ways to avoid it, sure.

    It's easy to look at a situation after it's happened - or when it didn't happen to you - and think "If you had just said ___. Or if they had just ___." Even things like "If that happened to me I would have ___."

    But things are never that simple when you are IN the situation.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    an interesting side issue involves the legal concepts. Clearly, a woman should have the absolute right to dress as she sees fits and wearing say a low cut blouse, push up bras or a micro mini skirt does not justify-in any way-someone forcing himself upon her.

    HOWEVER, most date rapes (which seems to be the issue vs someone pulling a gun on a stranger in the street and raping them) come down to He said, she said.

    Patricia Bowman claimed William Kennedy Smith date raped her. WKS said it was consentual. I was between jobs when that case was televised and I watched the entire trial. The verdict was correct. The reason being, the jurors didn't believe PB. Everything she said was contradicted by facts proven and in evidence. For example Miss Bowman claimed her intent on the night in question was to visit a friend and the friend's new born baby-not to go trolling for men in a bar. Yet who would dress in a provacative black mini dress and 60 dollar hose and lace panties to go visit a baby (given baby's propensities to wet, drool or puke at the most inoportune times)

    The fact is, the jury believed Miss Bowman was looking to score and that is why Dr Smith walked--her behaviour before the dispute indicated someone who was most likely to have actually said YES



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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    This is why polls, as evidence of anything, are bull****.

    I bet there are a buncha big, "if's", in the mothodology of this little number.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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