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Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

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Typologies of rapists:

Power Reassurance: offender behaviors that suggest an underlying lack of confidence and inadequacy, or belief that the offense is consensual, expressed through minimal force and low confidence;

Power Assertive: offender behaviors that suggest an underlying lack of confidence and inadequacy, expressed through a need for control, mastery, and humiliation of the victim, while demonstrating authority;

Anger Retaliatory: offender behaviors that suggest a great deal of rage, either towards a specific person, group, institution or a symbol of either;

Sadistic: offender behaviors that suggest that the offender gets sexual gratification from victim pain and suffering;

Opportunistic: offender behaviors that suggest an offender who is out to satisfy immediate sexual impulses.

For about 4 of the 5 types of rapists, it is indeed about sex.

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that would be 2 of 5. the first 3 aren't about sex. and really, the sadististic part isn't either.
 
WTF is that even supposed to mean?

There are many things that I can tolerate Jerry. I don't give a ****ing crap about people giving me **** for being a call girl. Or even for working for the feds now. Or being promiscuous. Or for sleeping with married men. 99.9% of the things said to me roll off my back and I really, I mean *really* don't give a **** when people try to insult me.

But my rape? By a good and trusted friend of mine and HIS friend? My being drugged and raped repeatedly by the both of them while my female best friend watched? That is something I will not, I mean will NOT tolerate being told is somehow MY fault. If you persist with this ****ing bull****, then consider our friendship here finit.

What can I say, I'd go ****ing ballistic. People would die. It seems you turned the other cheek, and I never did understand why people do that.

You got ****ed (no pun intended). If there's nothing you could have don in your particular case, then it is what it is.

That doesn't mean every other rape is exactly like yours. That doesn't mean women don't ever do stupid ****. That doesn't mean there aren't things other women in other situations couldn't do better to reduce their risks.

You were in a no-win, but other women may have ways out. If a woman did everything she could have and still lost, then that person is not to blame at all, on any level.

That's IF she did everything she could have...
 
What can I say, I'd go ****ing ballistic. People would die. It seems you turned the other cheek, and I never did understand why people do that.

You got ****ed (no pun intended). If there's nothing you could have don in your particular case, then it is what it is.

That doesn't mean every other rape is exactly like yours. That doesn't mean women don't ever do stupid ****. That doesn't mean there aren't things other women in other situations couldn't do better to reduce their risks.

You were in a no-win, but other women may have ways out. If a woman did everything she could have and still lost, then that person is not to blame at all, on any level.

That's IF she did everything she could have...
There are times that fighting back is NOT the best course of action. That is up for the victim to decide. And regardless, the act is STILL not her fault and she is STILL not to blame - no matter WHAT.
 
that would be 2 of 5. the first 3 aren't about sex. and really, the sadististic part isn't either.

Wrong. Some people get sexual pleasure from sadism. That's still sex. The first type wants to think he's "dating" his victim and giving her sexual pleasure.

You've bought one of the inaccurate myths about rape (that it is never about sex). More often than not, it is. It's not ONLY about sex, but sex is definitely a key part.
 
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What I'm interested in is finding out if those who think that some women should accept some sort of responsibility for being raped would also be willing to give lighter sentences to the rapists. Now that would be a lot more scary.

Too bad they didn't give the actual wording in the survey's questions. That might have shed some light on these results.
 
There are times that fighting back is NOT the best course of action. That is up for the victim to decide. And regardless, the act is STILL not her fault and she is STILL not to blame - no matter WHAT.

You know..if you see an injured animal, you don't provoke it.

If you provoke it, and you get attacked, yes, it's your ****ing fault.

You don't put your fingers in the fence, non of that.

It may not be 100% your fault, but you should have realized the danger and known better. Sometimes you just get attacked and there's nothing you can do, but there's also assholes who poke injured dogs with a stick.
 
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I seem to remember a time when the mere fact a woman said "no" (and meant "NO") defined the boundaries - whatever the point in time in any sexual liasion. The man going beyond without permission was then commiting rape.

This latest survey seems to take backward steps for women and rape victims when it is widely acknowledged that prosections for rape in the UK have a poor record.

Not when "date" rape is the rage among feminazis, and the argument from some of those broads that all sex is rape.

If a broad willingly gets into bed with a guy, it can't really be rape. If some drunk college freshmen goes home with the school's quarterback and the next day complains that she didn't really want to do it the third time, it's hard to call it rape.

Then again, the Left says that when Clinton latched his teeth onto Juanita Broaderick's lip and forced her to have sex with him, that wasn't rape, it was her fault for going into a strange man's room alone.

But actually, that was rape.
 
You know..if you see an injured animal, you don't provoke it.

If you provoke it, and you get attacked, yes, it's your ****ing fault.

You don't put your fingers in the fence, non of that.

It may not be 100% your fault, but you should have realized the danger and known better. Sometimes you just get attacked and there's nothing you can do, but there's also assholes who poke injured dogs with a stick.

So men are no better than mere injured animals, unable to think on their own, acting out of pure instinct, lacking knowledge of our legal system, without any care for the consequences. It's all the poor woman's fault, using her 'stick' (i.e., boobies) to 'provoke' the poor, ignorant, helpless man who is only trying to defend himself.

I didn't realize you thought so low of your own gender, Jerry. Pretty sad to say the least.
 
You know..if you see an injured animal, you don't provoke it.

If you provoke it, and you get attacked, yes, it's your ****ing fault.

You don't put your fingers in the fence, non of that.

It may not be 100% your fault, but you should have realized the danger and known better. Sometimes you just get attacked and there's nothing you can do, but there's also assholes who poke injured dogs with a stick.
so men are injured animals who need to be coddled so they don't rape? what? i don't think you like women much.
 
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so men are injured animals who need to be coddled so they don't rape? what? i don't think you like women much.

Indeed. To hear Jerry tell it, we should probably keep all men locked up for the good of society. I mean, we don't let wild, dangerous animals run free in our streets, and that's apparently what men are.

Either that or maybe women should wear burquas. You know, to keep from provoking the helpless men around them.
 
so men are injured animals who need to be coddled so they don't rape? what? i don't think you like women much.

Didn't take long before someone got called a hater...:rofl
 
It's not just about degradation. Some rapists believe they are giving their victims sexual pleasure. Almost all rapists derive sexual pleasure from the act.

True but only because rape has been redefined to include
coercive rapes. As well most rape victims know their attackers however, a serial rapist or one who stalks his prey is on a control venture not a sexual one
 
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I seem to remember a time when the mere fact a woman said "no" (and meant "NO") defined the boundaries - whatever the point in time in any sexual liasion. The man going beyond without permission was then commiting rape.

This latest survey seems to take backward steps for women and rape victims when it is widely acknowledged that prosections for rape in the UK have a poor record.

What I think should be important is that women, especially young women, know how to judge their surroundings to prevent such a thing from happening.
That is their responsibility to judge the character of the males around them and the different places they are going.

Of course, I don't endorse they are at fault for others misdeeds towards them.
Rapists should face the full force of the law.

It's important to remember that prevention is better than cure, at least in this instance.
 
So [rapists] are no better than mere injured animals, unable to think on their own, acting out of pure instinct, lacking knowledge of our legal system, without any care for the consequences.

Fixed it for you :mrgreen:

It's all the poor woman's fault, using her 'stick' (i.e., boobies) to 'provoke' the poor, ignorant, helpless man who is only trying to defend himself.

You keep jumping back to these absolute statements :doh

I didn't realize you thought so low of [rapists], Jerry. Pretty sad to say the least.

Fixed it for you again :mrgreen:
 
so men are injured animals who need to be coddled so they don't rape? what? i don't think you like women much.

Rapists are wild animals who you are actually free to shoot and kill if they come after you.
 
You know, in reading this thread, I must say I am disgusted by the implications that a woman would have any responsibility in being raped. What she is wearing is irrelevant. How she looks is irrelevant. How she acts is irrelevant. Unless EVERY time she does those things she is raped, the responsibility falls on the rapist, as it is HIS behavior that is the independent factor.

And rape is NOT about sex. It is about violence. Sex is the tool used towards enacting the violence.
 
You know, in reading this thread, I must say I am disgusted by the implications that a woman would have any responsibility in being raped. What she is wearing is irrelevant. How she looks is irrelevant. How she acts is irrelevant. Unless EVERY time she does those things she is raped, the responsibility falls on the rapist, as it is HIS behavior that is the independent factor.

And rape is NOT about sex. It is about violence. Sex is the tool used towards enacting the violence.

You're just being a thumbs-up whore by saying what people want to hear instead of addressing the sources presented :2wave:
 
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