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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

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    I suspect if someone had tried it we'd be reading the coroner's inquest report
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There is zero evidence that clothing style influences rape.
    Yes, I am aware of this. I was responding to Jerry's comment about dress. I also think there are two types of rape(or more), one which is purely a violent crime, and the other, most closely identified with date rape, where the intent is not violence. I think dress may play some small factor in this type, though not nearly as much as other factors.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    while dress may have nothing to do with rape, it has much to do with whether a date rape results in a conviction or an acquittal



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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I know wtf!! Damn Jerry and him speaking out in support of women's safty!! Who the **** am I to point out what inspires men to sex crime!! It's not like I would know how a man thinks or anything.

    Let's spin it...



    Apparently I'm a lot better than you when it comes to creating

    Let's test that theory, shall we?

    Men, if you don't want to be accused of rape, stop ****ing her if she passes out!

    If you don't want to be accused of rape, stay away from jail bait!!

    If you get her pregnant, and her husband (or father) finds out, that whore will say you raped her just to save face!! So use a goddamd condom!!


    ...or does that sound like ridiculously repressed and smack of a kind of deep-seated bitterness towards men that you don't even know how to respond to?
    IS it your claim that rapists select victims based upon their clothing? If so, you're mistaken and you understand very little about rape.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, I am aware of this. I was responding to Jerry's comment about dress. I also think there are two types of rape(or more), one which is purely a violent crime, and the other, most closely identified with date rape, where the intent is not violence. I think dress may play some small factor in this type, though not nearly as much as other factors.
    There are about 5 different typologies of rapists according to the FBI:

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady
    the assumption that the way a woman dresses can cause a man to rape.
    No, the assumption is that the way a woman dresses can cause a man to want to have sex with her (or at least, be a factor). It's still the mans choice to rape her because he wanted sex.

    Not, note, that I brought up 'the way she dresses' as an example. That was your doing.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What in the...

    1n 2008, there was about a 1/3 of 1 % chance of being the victim of a violent crime. Now tell me again why I should have to carry a gun to feel safe.
    Ok...
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    EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates
    In Washington, the best defense is self-defense
    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES


    More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.

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    Few who lived in Washington during the 1970s can forget the upswing in crime that started right after the ban was originally passed. In the five years before the 1977 ban, the murder rate fell from 37 to 27 murders per 100,000. In the five years after the gun ban went into effect, the murder rate rose back up to 35. One fact is particularly hard to ignore: D.C.'s murder rate fluctuated after 1976 but only once fell below what it was in 1976 before the ban. That aberration happened years later, in 1985.

    This correlation between the D.C. gun ban and diminished safety was not a coincidence. Look at the Windy City. Immediately after Chicago banned handguns in 1982, the murder rate, which had been falling almost continually for a decade, started to rise. Chicago's murder rate rose relative to other large cities as well. The phenomenon of higher murder rates after gun bans are passed is not just limited to the United States. Every single time a country has passed a gun ban, its murder rate soared.


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    Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive
    Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?
    A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.
    Din B. Kates* and Gary Mauser**


    The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

    The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

    Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population)
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    Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Criminals generally want easy targets. Having a gun makes you a harder target. When you're in a population which carries, you are safer even if you don't carry a gun yourself, because a criminal has no way of knowing if you're carrying concealed or not and doesn't want to risk finding out the hard way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I should be able to dress however I want without some asshole taking it as permission to rape.
    Yeah, but you can't, so deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is 100 % blaming the victim.
    For her part, yup. A victim is only innocent if they did everything they could to guard against the attack. Short of that, the victim shares some level of responsibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Using your logic, if I don't want to worry about rape, I just should never leave the house. I would be undeniably safer.
    What would a woman be doing outside a kitchen anyway

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ok...
    None of which is at all relevant to what I said.

    Yeah, but you can't, so deal with it.
    Actually not true.

    For her part, yup. A victim is only innocent if they did everything they could to guard against the attack. Short of that, the victim shares some level of responsibility.
    Bull****.


    What would a woman be doing outside a kitchen anyway
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A victim is only innocent if they did everything they could to guard against the attack.
    Explain how this works in a home invasion/rape scenario. Thanks.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    IS it your claim that rapists select victims based upon their clothing? If so, you're mistaken and you understand very little about rape.

    Interview: Ron Sanchez, Ph.D.
    Is that Ron "Dirty" Sanchez?......
    I refuse to believe that skimpy clothing has no bearing on sexual assault, especially among the parting college crowd.....

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