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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
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    Whenever something bad happens to you there are always ways to avoid it, sure.

    It's easy to look at a situation after it's happened - or when it didn't happen to you - and think "If you had just said ___. Or if they had just ___." Even things like "If that happened to me I would have ___."

    But things are never that simple when you are IN the situation.
    no, sometimes bad things happen regardless of any precautions you might take.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The rapist is to blame, every time. Rape is, by definition, sex without consent. The person who chooses to force sex without consent is at fault. That is a nonissue.

    Are there things women can do to reduce risk? Of course. But that does not mean that the person who forces sex without permission is still 100 % to blame. The reasons some one forces sex without permission are irrelevant.
    In date rape cases it is normally a factual dispute as to whether consent was given or withdrawn and if withdrawn, when.



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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Let's try this comparison on for size:

    I'm in Harlem. I'm holding a sign that says, "I hate niggers". I get my ass kicked, or even get killed. It's not ok to kill me, but I have to take responsibility for putting myself in a position for something bad happening to me. Sometimes women who get raped, are guilty of the same thing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Which assumption is that? My own assumptions are more or less the exact opposite of what you've stated here, so...
    the assumption that the way a woman dresses can cause a man to rape.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Reminds me of an ole gal I used to know. She went out with a guy that exhibited all the signs of a sexual preditor; was even warned by people who knew him that he had been known to be forceful; then was all shocked and horrified when he raped her.

    No, it's not her fault, per say, but she didn't employ enough common sense to keep herself out of that position.
    it not her fault at all, not just per se.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    In date rape cases it is normally a factual dispute as to whether consent was given or withdrawn and if withdrawn, when.
    We are talking about 2 different things. I am saying, if it is rape, then the person to blame is the rapist. You are saying in some cases, whether it is rape is not clear. See the difference?
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well, according to the Rivrrat, rape just happens. It's like fishing: it doesn't matter if you put bait on the hook or not, where you cast or what time of day it is. Fish will either jump out of the water and into your boat or they wont, and there's nothing you can do about it either way.
    do you not get that rape is about power, not sex?

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Just to inject an alternative perspective here...

    There was a rape case in my community where a very drunken woman left a bar with a stranger, went to his car, and was raped.

    Do I blame her for being raped? No. The guy was a rapist, and is 100% culpable for his actions.

    However, she's 100% responsible that it was her. Women who exercise poor judgement make it more likely that they will become a victim.

    One thing that is really interesting about rape is that some women are victimized more often than others. Rape is not distributed evenly through the population.

    Rape and Sexual Assault

    While 56%, or an estimated 6.8 million women experienced only one rape, 39% or an estimated 4.7 million, were raped more than once; and five percent were unsure as to how many times they were raped.
    Rapists are rapists, but women have varying risks of becoming a victim based upon their own actions. Leaving a bar, intoxicated, with a stranger...is definitely going to increase your odds of being a victim. Some high risk behaviors expose women to a considerable risk of rape.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Just to inject an alternative perspective here...

    There was a rape case in my community where a very drunken woman left a bar with a stranger, went to his car, and was raped.

    Do I blame her for being raped? No. The guy was a rapist, and is 100% culpable for his actions.

    However, she's 100% responsible that it was her. Women who exercise poor judgement make it more likely that they will become a victim.

    One thing that is really interesting about rape is that some women are victimized more often than others. Rape is not distributed evenly through the population.

    Rape and Sexual Assault



    Rapists are rapists, but women have varying risks of becoming a victim based upon their own actions. Leaving a bar, intoxicated, with a stranger...is definitely going to increase your odds of being a victim. Some high risk behaviors expose women to a considerable risk of rape.
    now wait a minute......5% were unsure of how many times they were raped? blackouts, or what. jeez.
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    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's try this comparison on for size:

    I'm in Harlem. I'm holding a sign that says, "I hate niggers". I get my ass kicked, or even get killed. It's not ok to kill me, but I have to take responsibility for putting myself in a position for something bad happening to me. Sometimes women who get raped, are guilty of the same thing.
    In that case, you are responsible for being a dumbass(note this refers to the hypothetical, I am not calling apdst a dumbass outside of that). Those who kicked your ass are 100 % responsible for assault. Your being a dumbass in that hypothetical does not change who is responsible for the assault.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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