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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I don't give a **** if a woman is walking around nude and propositioning every man in the vicinity except one. That does not make it her fault if that one decides to force her to have sex. I don't care if she's shaking her naked tits right in his face. If she says 'no' to intercourse, then everything after that is HIS responsibility, NOT hers. I don't give a **** how turned on he is. I don't give a **** how much he wants her. I don't give a **** how much she deliberately (or inadvertently) turned him on. If she says no, and he persists, it is rape and it is HIS responsibility..
    true BUT if he claims it was consentual and she claims it was rape, I am going to have a hard time believing her if she was acting that way

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    However, there are a number of women who cry rape who were not actually raped. Those are the women who make it difficult for actual rape victims to step forward. Those are the women who perpetuate the whole 'it's the victim's fault' mentality. Those are the women I'd love to see strung up in the middle of town..
    GOod point-its like some black "civil rights" "leaders" who scream racism constantly



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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    One's self respect has absolutely nothing to do with being the victim of a violent crime.

    Your implication that a person who is lacking self respect (in YOUR eyes) is somehow responsible for someone enacting a violent crime upon them is insulting, at best.
    In some cases, I believe it has evrything to do with it. If you hang out in a barn, sooner, or later, you're going to get **** on your shoes. The same applies with the company you keep.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You'd think a gazelle would stick with the herd to avoid being eaten.

    IMO I think people should go out with friends and avoid excessively risky behavior without good reason, carry a gun, stay in shape, and know how to kick the **** out of any would-be thug; but I'm a guy, what do I know, I'll keep my misogynist opinion that women should be responsible and self reliant to myself.

    Hey if she want's to be a victim, this is America, it's her body, her choice, so let her get the **** beat out of her if that's what she wants.
    Being responsible, self-reliant, and able to kick someone's ass has nothing to do with being raped.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Qualifiers like "some" ruin polls instantly. It leaves so much to interpretation.

    Should "some" women take "some responsibility?"

    Well, I suppose. There is on occasion a woman who was consenting at the time but changed their mind the next morning because both parties were drunk. That particular situation both parties share responsibility. Does that count as a "rape victim?" The guy asking the questions might not think so, but the person answering the questions might interpret it that way.

    NEVER USE THE WORD SOME IN A POLL.

    "Do you think some gays want to rape you?"
    Well, yes, I'm sure somewhere in the universe there is a gay person who happens to be a rapist and would rape me given the chance. 7 billion people on this rock, gotta be at least one.
    So I answer yes, although I'm also thinking it's far more likely that I get struck by lightning while holding a winning lottery ticket.

    Meanwhile, an extreme homophobe is asked the same question and he believes that every gay person will rape him at every possible opportunity.
    He answers yes.

    We both gave the same answer despite having exact opposite views on the matter.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In some cases, I believe it has evrything to do with it. If you hang out in a barn, sooner, or later, you're going to get **** on your shoes. The same applies with the company you keep.
    Obviously, if you leave your house you increase your chance of bad things happening to you. I mean, if someone gets hit by a car, they must have been near where cars were, right? If they hadn't been near the street... they wouldn't have been hit. So they must take responsibility for being hit by a car.

    This is bull****, and you know it.

    Rapists come in all shapes and sizes. They are not all 'trashy' guys who hang out in low-life bars just waiting to snatch up some drunk girl who is flashing her tits and hitting on everyone.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    One's self respect has absolutely nothing to do with being the victim of a violent crime.

    Your implication that a person who is lacking self respect (in YOUR eyes) is somehow responsible for someone enacting a violent crime upon them is insulting, at best.
    So you're saying since the bar looked a lot like a kitchen she thought she was in her place.....well I guess if she were also barefoot I could understand how you think she was merely confused....but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So you're saying since the bar looked a lot like a kitchen she thought she was in her place.....well I guess if she were also barefoot I could understand how you think she was merely confused....but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.
    Troll status confirmed.

    But by all means, continue to show examples of when it's ok to rape someone.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Obviously, if you leave your house you increase your chance of bad things happening to you. I mean, if someone gets hit by a car, they must have been near where cars were, right? If they hadn't been near the street... they wouldn't have been hit. So they must take responsibility for being hit by a car.

    This is bull****, and you know it.


    It's not bull****. Of course there are risks that come with simply walking out your front door, however a person with an average amount of common sense does things to avoid the risk of being victimized and reduces the risk of being the victim of a freak accident. Therefore, if one crosses the street against the light, or jay-walks, then they take personal responsibility for increasing the risk of being hit by a car.

    Rapists come in all shapes and sizes. They are not all 'trashy' guys who hang out in low-life bars just waiting to snatch up some drunk girl who is flashing her tits and hitting on everyone.
    You use of, "all", doesn't accurately respond to what I'm saying, because I never once made any absolute statements. But, you seem to believe that all women who get raped are in no way responsible for putting themselves in that position and we both know that that's not true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But by all means, continue to show examples of when it's ok to rape someone.
    Well, according to the Rivrrat, rape just happens. It's like fishing: it doesn't matter if you put bait on the hook or not, where you cast or what time of day it is. Fish will either jump out of the water and into your boat or they wont, and there's nothing you can do about it either way.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

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    I seem to remember a time when the mere fact a woman said "no" (and meant "NO") defined the boundaries - whatever the point in time in any sexual liasion. The man going beyond without permission was then commiting rape.

    This latest survey seems to take backward steps for women and rape victims when it is widely acknowledged that prosections for rape in the UK have a poor record.
    The rapist is to blame, every time. Rape is, by definition, sex without consent. The person who chooses to force sex without consent is at fault. That is a nonissue.

    Are there things women can do to reduce risk? Of course. But that does not mean that the person who forces sex without permission is still 100 % to blame. The reasons some one forces sex without permission are irrelevant.
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