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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It would be interesting to see the wording of the questions asked in the poll. For example, compare compare these two:

    1. Should a woman take precautions to protect herself from being raped by avoiding dangerous situations and behavior?
    2. Does a woman who puts herself in a dangerous situation deserve to be raped?

    I think most people would be much more likely to answer yes to the first question.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It would be interesting to see the wording of the questions asked in the poll. For example, compare compare these two:

    1. Should a woman take precautions to protect herself from being raped by avoiding dangerous situations and behavior?
    2. Does a woman who puts herself in a dangerous situation deserve to be raped?

    I think most people would be much more likely to answer yes to the first question.

    Spot on, excellent summary.

    Yes, to number one.

    No to number 2.

    Like Catz, my sympathy is somewhat limited if the victim did three or more WTF? things that helped put her in the situation. If you're past 18, you should know that stupid hurts, and that if you show your butt often enough the universe will smack it at some point.

    Antagony also brought up an excellent point about false allegations. False allegations of rape are very common. Such allegations are often used for revenge by a woman angry at a man. In most cases it doesn't go as far as court; often the accuser loses her nerve before it gets there, or is confronted by the lack of evidence, etc...but I'm sure sometimes it does. As much as we all hate rape (I believe that forcible rape should be a capital crime) we can't let that tilt the justice system in such a way that false allegations might stand.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What you're doing here is taking one small snippet of everything I've said on this thread and behaving as though I said nothing else, all while completely ignoring sources linked and failing to provide any of your own.

    I've tried twice now to debate the issue according to sources, but all you see is a dog analogy.

    Why should anyone on this forum ever bother to do anything but troll if that's the example you're going to set?
    Jerry, I've seen the sources. In no way do they support your position. NO WAY. If a women walks down the street wearing provocative clothing and gets raped, the rape is 100% the rapist's fault. The decision to walk down the street wearing provocative clothing is the choice of the woman, but because this is a completely independent and NON-dependent variable, it does not follow that this caused, in any way, the rape. This is LOGIC, Jerry. The sources do not back your position, and logic does not back your position. Your position is faulty. I'm of the opinion that you may be wording your position incorrectly, but either way, the way it is being presented, is completely inaccurate.

    And knock off the "troll" comments. You do not know what you're talking about.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I guess I don't understand why everyone is hung up on the "that doesn't excuse rape" side.

    Well no **** it doesn't excuse rape, so who gives a **** about that topic. It was settled before the thread was opened.

    Certain behaviors do increase the risk of a crime happening to you. Minding those behaviors to lower your risk is only smart, while carelessly disregarding those behaviors is foolish.
    See? That wasn't so hard. You misrepresented your own position with poor wording. My guess is that THIS was what you were trying to communicate. I would imagine that most would agree with this statement
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

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    You sound like you're still living in one
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Jerry, I've seen the sources. In no way do they support your position. NO WAY. If a women walks down the street wearing provocative clothing and gets raped, the rape is 100% the rapist's fault. The decision to walk down the street wearing provocative clothing is the choice of the woman, but because this is a completely independent and NON-dependent variable, it does not follow that this caused, in any way, the rape. This is LOGIC, Jerry. The sources do not back your position, and logic does not back your position. Your position is faulty. I'm of the opinion that you may be wording your position incorrectly, but either way, the way it is being presented, is completely inaccurate.
    Except that my argument is in perfect alignment with sources given while your post here is not but unfounded opinion

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    See? That wasn't so hard. You misrepresented your own position with poor wording. My guess is that THIS was what you were trying to communicate. I would imagine that most would agree with this statement
    Yeah it was, it very ****ing hard, you and others kept thinking I was talking about justifying rape or some bull****, when clearly I never said anything of the sort.

    I'm glad you finally decided to read what I actually typed instead of what you wanted to see

    There's the blame for the crime, and then apart, detached, unrelated and separate form that, there's blame of the person if they did anything wrong.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    This thread makes me very sad and angry. A victim is a victim and that is that! Anybody that thinks a rape victim should take any blame is full of crap. Period
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    This thread makes me very sad and angry. A victim is a victim and that is that! Anybody that thinks a rape victim should take any blame is full of crap. Period
    She should take the blame for her actions, absolutely.

    Note: Unless she rapes herself, I did not just shay she should take blame for the rape.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah it was, it very ****ing hard, you and others kept thinking I was talking about justifying rape or some bull****, when clearly I never said anything of the sort.

    I'm glad you finally decided to read what I actually typed instead of what you wanted to see

    There's the blame for the crime, and then apart, detached, unrelated and separate form that, there's blame of the person if they did anything wrong.
    Jerry, I find it hard to believe that EVERYONE misread your posts. But whatever, Jer. You clarified and I hope we all understand your position, now.
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