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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As best I can tell from reading this thread, according to some it is her fault since she did not know he was a scumbag, and did not carry a gun with her.
    That certainly wasn't what I was saying, if you inferred that from what I wrote.

    I specifically said that rape is not excusable in any situation but pretending that you can't prevent it in some reasonable ways is stupid.
    Know where your going and know the person your with, even then that isn't fool proof but it's important.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    You were responding to this:



    By stating this:



    So how does a teenage girl getting raped "asking for it".

    You responded directly to Councilman's assertation that, "There is never any excuse for rape and there is no such thing as asking for it."

    Did you mean to reply with something else?
    Since nothing I said had anything to do with excusing rape, it's completely obvious to any reasonable person of average intelligence that I was responding to "there is no such thing as asking for it".

    Yes there is such a thing as asking for it.

    There is never an excuse for rape and there is such a thing as asking to be raped.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That certainly wasn't what I was saying, if you inferred that from what I wrote.

    I specifically said that rape is not excusable in any situation but pretending that you can't prevent it in some reasonable ways is stupid.
    Know where your going and know the person your with, even then that isn't fool proof but it's important.
    I exaggerated, and probably should not have. The problem is that what you are saying is not even remotely effective. Rape can occur almost any time, any place. I lead a quiet life in a small town, but there are times when I have to be in areas I do not know, and around people I don't know.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I exaggerated, and probably should not have. The problem is that what you are saying is not even remotely effective. Rape can occur almost any time, any place. I lead a quiet life in a small town, but there are times when I have to be in areas I do not know, and around people I don't know.
    Of course, that's why it isn't fool proof.

    On the other hand, there are times when you can do yourself a favor and look out for potential dangerous people/places.

    Even being a guy, I have almost **** myself with fear because I was definitely in the wrong place when I knew better.

    Case in point, when I was 15 I used to sneak out of my house and go hang out with friends in remote places to smoke weed, etc.
    A grown man approaches me and asks if he can blow me, I say no and wait for him to leave and run like hell.

    I was trapped at that particular place and could of been raped because I was stupid as hell.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Seriously though... take down his license number?

    Do you know the number of rapes that occur not from total strangers or people a woman is vaguely familiar with - but people she knows.

    KNOWS.

    Not some dillhole that wanders in off the street. No some punk kid who happens to meet her at the mall and asks her out... most rapes are committed by men the women ALREADY KNOW.

    Honest to Pete... I don't know how we became such a backward society to think that a victim of ANY crime is somehow to blame for being a victim.

    Rape isn't about sex.. it's about power. It's about taking something from someone because you can.
    Most happen from friends or family members.---Now about provocative dress. Guys are visually stimulated. They relate to a womens dress as her way of stating her intentions. If they dress to look like they are ready for a Quicky under the bleachers, then the dumb guy thinks that is what she wants. doesn't make it right, but guys minds don't work like Gals minds.---Be free and express yourself, but be aware of how your signals are being taken by guys. If you wave a red flag at a bull, don't be surprised if he rams you.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course, that's why it isn't fool proof.

    On the other hand, there are times when you can do yourself a favor and look out for potential dangerous people/places.

    Even being a guy, I have almost **** myself with fear because I was definitely in the wrong place when I knew better.

    Case in point, when I was 15 I used to sneak out of my house and go hang out with friends in remote places to smoke weed, etc.
    A grown man approaches me and asks if he can blow me, I say no and wait for him to leave and run like hell.

    I was trapped at that particular place and could of been raped because I was stupid as hell.
    Oh no you must be anti-men to think you hold some level or responsibility for your own safty

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh no you must be anti-men to think you hold some level or responsibility for your own safty
    I was seriously stupid for doing it but I wouldn't characterize it as "asking for it."

    More like I made myself an easy target and of course it wouldn't excuse the guy of doing whatever he did.

    That was probably one of the few times I was seriously scared beyond belief.
    To add, the guy pulled out his junk and started playing with it as he walked away.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Of course, that's why it isn't fool proof.

    On the other hand, there are times when you can do yourself a favor and look out for potential dangerous people/places.

    Even being a guy, I have almost **** myself with fear because I was definitely in the wrong place when I knew better.

    Case in point, when I was 15 I used to sneak out of my house and go hang out with friends in remote places to smoke weed, etc.
    A grown man approaches me and asks if he can blow me, I say no and wait for him to leave and run like hell.

    I was trapped at that particular place and could of been raped because I was stupid as hell.
    My point being, how often do people put themselves in "risky situations", and how often are they just the nature of things. I used to work second shift in a bad part of Grand Rapids. The place had a large first shift, small second, and shift change was staggered, so only a couple people left at a time. Big, dark parking lot. So 5 to 6 nights a week, I was alone or nearly so in a dark parking lot in a bad part of town.

    Simply saying "be careful", while not bad advice, is just kinda unrealistic. Yes, people should be somewhat careful, obviously. It's just not a solution, and not going to stop rape.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I was seriously stupid for doing it but I wouldn't characterize it as "asking for it."

    More like I made myself an easy target and of course it wouldn't excuse the guy of doing whatever he did.

    That was probably one of the few times I was seriously scared beyond belief.
    To add, the guy pulled out his junk and started playing with it as he walked away.
    Yeah, I would...being that age, out that late, smoking pot on some secret location...yeah, you were asking for trouble of some kind.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    My point being, how often do people put themselves in "risky situations", and how often are they just the nature of things. I used to work second shift in a bad part of Grand Rapids. The place had a large first shift, small second, and shift change was staggered, so only a couple people left at a time. Big, dark parking lot. So 5 to 6 nights a week, I was alone or nearly so in a dark parking lot in a bad part of town.
    That's definitely a time to pack some heat or at least a knife or can of mace but your right.
    There is no absolute way to prevent it, in that place it's best to be very observant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Simply saying "be careful", while not bad advice, is just kinda unrealistic. Yes, people should be somewhat careful, obviously. It's just not a solution, and not going to stop rape.
    I honestly don't think anything will stop it, which sucks.
    You're the best defense 99% of the time.
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