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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, I'm giving you accurate information rather than blaming the victim, and doing victims a disservice, which you seem to be doing. Truthfully Jerry, in reading what I have in this thread, you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about... or you are doing another one of your "thought experiments." If it's the latter, it was a poor choice.
    I think there is some responsibility, like knowing the people and knowing your surroundings.

    It's not fool proof and it does not excuse the actions of a rapist.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I think there is some responsibility, like knowing the people and knowing your surroundings.

    It's not fool proof and it does not excuse the actions of a rapist.
    I do not know the stats, but a significant percentage of rapes are committed by people the women do know.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not know the stats, but a significant percentage of rapes are committed by people the women do know.
    I understand that and as a guy maybe it's different but no matter the income level or the overall class status of an individual, I can tell a scum bag from a decent person, more often than not.

    That's why I also added location, if you think the person is weird, don't go somewhere alone with them.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand that and as a guy maybe it's different but no matter the income level or the overall class status of an individual, I can tell a scum bag from a decent person, more often than not.

    That's why I also added location, if you think the person is weird, don't go somewhere alone with them.
    I find it hard to believe that you can tell a potential rapist by looking at them.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I find it hard to believe that you can tell a potential rapist by looking at them.
    Not by looking at them but by interacting with them and it's not necessarily that they are a rapist but a general idea that I wouldn't want to spend time with them.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1) Do not make up crap and attribute it to me in a quote box.

    2) I addressed the link you referred to. Do try and keep up.
    Since I wasn't referring to any single link, but to all sources in this thread, together with your lil demand that I do this or that with MY post, I think you just proved my point.

    Now if you don't mind stepping out of the spot light for just a minute, some of us would like to address the topic

    Q: Are these crimes of opportunity?

    Some rapists are like I said very impulsive. They might see a stranded motorist on the side of the road and just seize the opportunity in an impulsive act. Many of them are much more calculated and planning. As I've worked with rapists, I've asked them, "How do you go about gaining access to houses?" And many of them said that they would look for an open window or unlocked door and just go in the house. And I was amazed to find out how many houses that they encountered had doors unlocked. So I think a simple thing of locking your doors and windows is a deterrent. Anything that makes it more difficult that makes your house or you not a target can be a deterrent.

    Q: What about prevention?

    You know, in terms of prevention, I mean certainly you have the physical things that you can do and I don't think it sounds like I mean we can't. I mean that's really important. Not everyone leaves their windows open. But on the other hand. I mean gosh, I don't know how many I encounter, rapists that said they just walked right in. And that was amazing to me. I think people minimize that they think, "Oh, locking my doors and windows, that's nothing."


    Interview: Ron Sanchez, Ph.D.
    While Ron Sanchez uses open doors and window as his example of ease of access and opportunity, I think it's clear that he is not saying that doors and windows are the lone types of access.

    The 'don't look/act like a slut' argument is the same argument presented by Ron Sanchez, in that your clothes should not demonstrate that you are easy nor should your behavior act inviting. This is like leaving your front door wide open while sleeping naked in the front room with sex toys on the coffee table.

    The fact that folks like yourself and rivrrat didn't jump all over Catz with accusations like "so if you don't close your front door it's all the woman's fault according to Ron Sanchez" is telling.

    The rape victim in not perfectly blameless if she did not secure her home. She does share some amount of the blame for becoming a target.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Since I wasn't referring to any single link, but to all sources in this thread, together with your lil demand that I do this or that with MY post, I think you just proved my point.

    Now if you don't mind stepping out of the spot light for just a minute, some of us would like to address the topic
    Actually I was just calling you out for being an asshole as usual. Don't bother to report this, I will do it for you.


    While Ron Sanchez uses open doors and window as his example of ease of access and opportunity, I think it's clear that he is not saying that doors and windows are the lone types of access.

    The 'don't look/act like a slut' argument is the same argument presented by Ron Sanchez, in that your clothes should not demonstrate that you are easy nor should your behavior act inviting. This is like leaving your front door wide open while sleeping naked in the front room with sex toys on the coffee table.

    The fact that folks like yourself and rivrrat didn't jump all over Catz with accusations like "so if you don't close your front door it's all the woman's fault according to Ron Sanchez" is telling.

    The rape victim in not perfectly blameless if she did not secure her home. She does share some amount of the blame for becoming a target.
    It sounds like Ron Sanchez is about as dumb as you are. People doing stupid things does not make them at fault when some one else chooses to take advantage of them, and has jack to do with women walking to car after work and getting jumped, or getting raped at the end of a date, or any of the large number of rapes that are not break-ins.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    People doing stupid things does not make them at fault when some one else chooses to take advantage of them...
    Uh, yes it does.

    If some moron decides to run out in front of you, and you're driving with a suspended license, you are at fault even-though they are also at fault.

    The only way for you to be innocent is to not be doing anything wrong at the time.
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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Were the women who said: "some rape victims should take blame" all blonds?

    There is never any excuse for rape and there is no such thing as asking for it.

    Anyone who thinks so is unbalanced and in need of a mental health councilor and soon.

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    Re: Women say some rape victims should take blame - survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    There is never any excuse for rape and there is no such thing as asking for it.
    If you're being irresponsible, you're asking for **** to happen to you, and when it does it will be partially your fault.

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