Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb
Taxes are used for political purposes all the time. Taxes are higher on cigarettes, gasoline, and alcohol in order to discourage their use; businesses are given tax breaks in order to accomplish other goals.
This is nothing new. It's just that you personally don't like it so are crying like a baby.
It seems to me:
1. You agree with tax breaks and taxes when you like what they're used for but think that they are a violation of your rights when you don't like what they're used for.
2. You agree that localities should be able to vote for things that the people want but think that it's a violation of your rights when you don't like what they vote for.
1) I never said that there was such a tax for vegans. I turned the tables to see if Groucho would be as acceptable to such a tax as he is to the meat eaters tax. But, changing direction to avoid the subject comes as no surprise.
2) Anytime a person is punished--such as with a punitive tax on food--to promote an agenda, then liberties are in jeapordy. Hence the reason I asked if a punitive tax on vegans would be cool. Would it?
Look, the bottom line is that you seem to think that every time something is taxed it is therefore a violation of your liberties. You're taking that as a given and then moving on from there.
I, and some of the others in this thread, disagree with your basic premise. A tax on soda or cigarettes or meat or gummi worms doesn't violate my rights at all. This is especially true when I don't have to buy whatever it is that is being taxed if I don't want to.
The rest of your argument only makes sense if one agrees in the first place that any and every tax is a violation of your rights.
EDIT: Now don't get me wrong: Object to taxes you hate all you want. There are taxes I hate too. But to say that it is a violation of your rights makes your argument less powerful, not moreso.
Last edited by Groucho; 02-15-10 at 03:57 PM.
Here's the difference between us, which you still do not get: I don't think that taxes I personally disagree with are violations of my rights. They're just taxes I disagree with.