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Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

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According to this poll, Americans favor gays serving openly in the military by more than a 2 to 1 margin. I will now wait for a few to proclaim that FOX News is now part of the elite Liberal media establishment.

Article is here.
 
It will be more interesting to see the responses from those who think Fox is always wrong.
 
You want to get and accurate poll? Poll the people it affects...Veterans and acttive duty military.....Make a separate poll for the Navy.....I guarentee you will get a much different result......
 
From the link:

A 61 percent majority is in favor of an open military, while 30 percent are opposed, according to a Fox News national poll.

I knew more supported than opposed, but this is by a much larger margin than I thought. Wow.
 
From the article:

By a 10-percentage-point margin, voters under the age of 30 (68 percent) are more likely to favor the change than are those age 65 and over (58 percent).

Just more proof that slowly but surely the anti-gay crowd is eventually going to disappear.

This is good news. Let's end DADT. And then a year from now laugh about how stupid it was to have it in the first place.
 
While this is certainly good news, I am still not very optimistic that President Obama will overturn DADT. I hope he does because I have never understood the need for such a policy.
 
Its good to see discrimination being less acceptable in all its forms.
 
According to this poll, Americans favor gays serving openly in the military by more than a 2 to 1 margin. I will now wait for a few to proclaim that FOX News is now part of the elite Liberal media establishment.

Article is here.
The guy who owns "Conservapedia" (Andy Schlafly) thinks Fox is "too liberal". :2razz:

But for that matter, he thinks that modern translations of the Bible are "too liberal" and he's writing his own version called "The Conservative Bible Project".
 
According to this poll, Americans favor gays serving openly in the military by more than a 2 to 1 margin. I will now wait for a few to proclaim that FOX News is now part of the elite Liberal media establishment.

Article is here.

Actually, it's probably more like Fox News wants to get more money by advertising to gay audiences as well. Just goes to show you what kind of an economy we live in...
 
You want to get and accurate poll? Poll the people it affects...Veterans and acttive duty military.....Make a separate poll for the Navy.....I guarentee you will get a much different result......

Actually...

If you really want to get an accurate poll of the people it affects VETERANS shouldn't be asked at all. This doesn't affect veterans, IE those already out of the military at all.

Ask those CURRENTLY serving and those between in the late teens / early 20's that are still of an age (Coming out of high school or coming out of college) that is most likely to enter into the military.

Asking 60 year old Veterans if they think gays should be allowed in or not is no different in regards to "people it will actually affect" than asking some random 30 year old that never served and never planned to serve. Unless you're saying that 60 year old veterans are suddenly going to be on a ship serving again in the next little bit....
 
According to this poll, Americans favor gays serving openly in the military by more than a 2 to 1 margin. I will now wait for a few to proclaim that FOX News is now part of the elite Liberal media establishment.

Article is here.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while huh? :mrgreen:
 
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Actually...

If you really want to get an accurate poll of the people it affects VETERANS shouldn't be asked at all. This doesn't affect veterans, IE those already out of the military at all.

Ask those CURRENTLY serving and those between in the late teens / early 20's that are still of an age (Coming out of high school or coming out of college) that is most likely to enter into the military.

Asking 60 year old Veterans if they think gays should be allowed in or not is no different in regards to "people it will actually affect" than asking some random 30 year old that never served and never planned to serve. Unless you're saying that 60 year old veterans are suddenly going to be on a ship serving again in the next little bit....

I did not say retirees I said Veterans, they can be any age probably about 22 and up.....I do think retirees should be polled to though.......I mean they poll they took was of people who were clueless about life in the military...If you can poll them then you can poll people who have been there and experienced
what its like,,,,,
 
I did not say retirees I said Veterans, they can be any age probably about 22 and up.....I do think retirees should be polled to though.......I mean they poll they took was of people who were clueless about life in the military...If you can poll them then you can poll people who have been there and experienced
what its like,,,,,


What evidence do you have that veterans were excluded in the polling?
 
I did not say retirees I said Veterans, they can be any age probably about 22 and up.....I do think retirees should be polled to though.......I mean they poll they took was of people who were clueless about life in the military...If you can poll them then you can poll people who have been there and experienced
what its like,,,,,

But Navy, that's not what you said. You didn't say it was important to get ideas from those that have a life in the military. You wanted a more accurate poll by asking people it AFFECTS...

You want to get and accurate poll? Poll the people it affects...

It doesn't AFFECT Veterans, not in any definite tangible way. I don't care if they're 22 or 82, if they're no longer in the military having gays in the military affects them no more than any other person that isn't in the military.

No one is a better judge of what the military can handle in regards to gays being members right now than those that are in it right now, and next to that are those that are most likely to be in it in the future.

If 80% of Veterans said "NO GAYS IN THE MILITARY!" and 80% of the current military said "Gays in the Military" than frankly I would say "Too bad, so sad" to the veterans because they're not the people its affecting, and I don't care how much they may be "experienced" with the military, the people actively doing it are the best judge of if they're fine with having gays or not serving next to them.
 
According to this poll, Americans favor gays serving openly in the military by more than a 2 to 1 margin. I will now wait for a few to proclaim that FOX News is now part of the elite Liberal media establishment.

Article is here.

Gay guys with Guns will scare the **** out of Al Queda.
 
The guy who owns "Conservapedia" (Andy Schlafly) thinks Fox is "too liberal". :2razz:

But for that matter, he thinks that modern translations of the Bible are "too liberal" and he's writing his own version called "The Conservative Bible Project".

Not that I give a damn about a Fox News poll, but I love the wikipedia wannabes. I got a brilliant idea...let's take a brilliant, but completely flawed system which is against us conservatives (everything's a conspiracy), and do the exact same thing, but with less of an audience and for conservatives. This totally makes sense, guys!
 
According to this poll, Americans favor gays serving openly in the military by more than a 2 to 1 margin. I will now wait for a few to proclaim that FOX News is now part of the elite Liberal media establishment.

Article is here.

WOW, a Fox News poll that does not add up to 100+%.. impressive!

on a serious note, nice news :)
 
WOW, a Fox News poll that does not add up to 100+%.. impressive!

The reason it doesn't add up to 100% is that the story didn't print those who said they didn't know. Sheesh.
 
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The poll results do not surprise me at all. What surprises me is that FAUXNews released the results. That goes against their propaganda plan and could quite possibly alienate some in their flock.

Besides, no one gives polls any credibility, regardless of who conducts the poll, when the poll doesn't reflect their opinion or their view of reality.

What DID surprise me was Dick Cheney on television this morning saying that the only poll that should matter is how the miltary feels about it themselves as it directly affects their job thus affecting national security. My surprise was that I agree with him.

And because the chiefs in uniform are now stating that the military can handle it, (it being a generational thing with today's service men and womens attitudes that are more gay tolerant) Cheney thinks it's time to drop the restrictions on gays serving in the US.

And I agreed with him again. That's TWICE! Tell me that isn't purely shocking.
 
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Wants to drop DADT:

Top military leaders
The commander-in-chief
The people
 
Wants to drop DADT:

Top military leaders
The commander-in-chief
The people

So who does that leave that DOES NOT want to drop DADT?

People who think gays are sinners? People who are concerned about the adverse effects within the ranks of the military due to homophobia?
 
So who does that leave that DOES NOT want to drop DADT?

People who think gays are sinners? People who are concerned about the adverse effects within the ranks of the military due to homophobia?

In reality, I think so. But I would tread lightly pointing it out. Some people are truly threatened by gays for, I suspect, reasons of their own. Some stones are best left unturned.

It is good enough to know that the restrictions placed on gays regarding the military are soon to be lifted. All people fear change to a degree. Some, just more than others. Don't make them bad people. Just makes them remnant products of generations past. Every generation builds upon the past generation. In 40 years from now, even the most socially liberal today could very well be considered a dinosaur hard-core conservative, by the standards of the future.
 
In reality, I think so. But I would tread lightly pointing it out. Some people are truly threatened by gays for, I suspect, reasons of their own. Some stones are best left unturned.

It is good enough to know that the restrictions placed on gays regarding the military are soon to be lifted. All people fear change to a degree. Some, just more than others. Don't make them bad people. Just makes them remnant products of generations past. Every generation builds upon the past generation. In 40 years from now, even the most socially liberal today could very well be considered a dinosaur hard-core conservative, by the standards of the future.

All true. All good points.

I'm gonna take a guess at what happens after we lift DADT.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing will change in the military. They'll just keep right on doing their jobs. And all of those on the internet who screeched and wailed about DADT being lifted will let the issue drift quietly into the background.

I think a lot of people are against DADT being lifted simply because the Democrats are in favor of it.
 
All true. All good points.

I'm gonna take a guess at what happens after we lift DADT.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing will change in the military. They'll just keep right on doing their jobs. And all of those on the internet who screeched and wailed about DADT being lifted will let the issue drift quietly into the background.

I think a lot of people are against DADT being lifted simply because the Democrats are in favor of it.

That is basically accurate. People in the military will bitch, but that is what military people do about any change. Overall, no significant changes will occur in the military culture, or military readiness. Any problem people of either orientation will be quickly and heavily quashed to send a message, and people will mostly get on board with the program.
 
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