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Can you provide an example?
watch the news networkss.........there are examples of that almost weekly........Watchr The Factor on FOX......Oreilly has these kind of cases on all the time.......Why do you think so many people home school?
 
watch the news networkss.........there are examples of that almost weekly........Watchr The Factor on FOX......Oreilly has these kind of cases on all the time.......Why do you think so many people home school?

Ahh, that explains it why I haven't heard of this. TV news is trash, there is almost nothing factual about it anymore.
 
True that, but he is also set in his ways...... Just like myself. Yea, I am getting old myself, and have a lot of "set" views. I love Goldwater Conservatism, and can't understand why so many are abandoning it. Or, just maybe, the world is moving on, and leaving the opinions of gnarly old mother****ers like myself in the dust. Same could apply to NP. At any rate, I remember when the world was a better place, and people talked to each other instead of over each other. I bet NP also waxes nostalgic for another era.

Your right its true I am set my ways but I never had to push my kids by telling.......I just tried to set a good example for them and my wife who is Asian did the same thing....Your right I was gone a lot but I was blessed with and Asian wife and their kids are taught good morals and respect from birth unlike the way some americans raise their kids.......

Its kind of like a rippling effect......My kids 4 kids and their 7 kids......That is 11 that I am proud to influenced......I see the cops coming to my neighbors houses up and down the street for some problem with their kids but they never come to my house or the houses of my sons and daughter........
 
Ahh, that explains it why I haven't heard of this. TV news is trash, there is almost nothing factual about it anymore.

where do you get your news from? moveon.org or the Huffington post? A lot of Liberals bitch about FOX but they watch it.........
 
where do you get your news from? moveon.org or the Huffington post? A lot of Liberals bitch about FOX but they watch it.........

Mostly google news these days, which is just a piece of software. I can understand why liberals in this area watch a lot of fox news, it is the only news channel on basic cable.

But really, whether it is Fox, CNN, MSNBC, or whatever, the stories that can get a rise out of people and hence ratings are the ones they show since it is good for their revenue. Its becoming no different from Howard Stern.
 
Well we can watch them all here in the PNW.....I watch a little of CNN but mostly FOX because although they lean right they do have guests on that are liberal that give their opinion whereas MSNBC has none and CNN only has a few..........
 
THat is why when he was shooting he hollered Ali Akbar?

It was actually "Allah Akbar"...God is great.

You lefttes are in a total state of denial....I don't know when your going to wake up and realize we are in a war against terror.....It better be soon.....

This particular officer slipped through the cracks because of the politically correct climate in the military. Although, you should know, when his behavior was the most radical, Bush was still President. Not sure you can blame a President for the actions of one individual that may or may not be affiliated with any group and was already in the country, with a secret clearance from the U.S. Government.

Putting the blame for Fort Hood on Obama is a reach. If that rationale is the standard, then Bush is to blame, also.
 
You can say that General Colin Powell is stupid, by I won't.

Is he stupid for being for it once, or stupid for being against it now?

Or is it that Powell, like a lot of people, realize that what seemed like a good idea once is no longer a good idea?

I think it's the latter.
 
It was actually "Allah Akbar"...God is great.



This particular officer slipped through the cracks because of the politically correct climate in the military. Although, you should know, when his behavior was the most radical, Bush was still President. Not sure you can blame a President for the actions of one individual that may or may not be affiliated with any group and was already in the country, with a secret clearance from the U.S. Government.


Putting the blame for Fort Hood on Obama is a reach. If that rationale is the standard, then Bush is to blame, also
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You being military know that the Buck stops with the prez........How is Bush the blame for Fort Hood?:confused:
 
You being military know that the Buck stops with the prez........How is Bush the blame for Fort Hood?:confused:

I can see how both would be to blame. This is a problem that was many years in the making and could (should) have been stopped at several points, but the guy kept falling through the cracks, under multiple presidents.

Really though, it doesn't matter what kind of security we put in place, crazy people will do crazy things and there is little we can do to stop it.
 
You being military know that the Buck stops with the prez........How is Bush the blame for Fort Hood?:confused:

Did you not read the post?

The man was behaving this way under the Bush administration also, and nobody stepped up. By the time Obama took office, he was already well into this behavior, already had his position in the military.

Do you honestly think the President should spend his time individually reviewing every soldier out there? ANY President. This was a failure of the soldier's direct superiors to properly monitor his behavior and raise flags when it went in that direction. There is no way President Obama had ever heard of this man before the shooting.

It is utterly staggering how conservatives manage to warp their perception of the world when it supports their viewpoints.
 
I can see how both would be to blame. This is a problem that was many years in the making and could (should) have been stopped at several points, but the guy kept falling through the cracks, under multiple presidents.

Really though, it doesn't matter what kind of security we put in place, crazy people will do crazy things and there is little we can do to stop it.


Well the first thing Obama has to come to terms with is that this is no police action but it is and actual war on terror........

I wonder why that did not happen when Bush was president......I agree with you there are a lot of soft targets in this country after 9/11 I thought we would have some type of terror attack against this country every week.........Didn't happen.......
 
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Well the first thing Obama has to come toterms with is that this is no police action but it is and actual war on terror........

What gives you the idea that he hasn't?

(also good job ducking arguments you cant win)
 
What gives you the idea that he hasn't?

(also good job ducking arguments you cant win)

Because of what he says in his speeches and because of what his subordinates say.........
 
Well the first thing Obama has to come toterms with is that this is no police action but it is and actual war on terror........

I think the speech he received when he received the Nobel Prize is an indication of his stance.

And yet, a decade into a new century, this old architecture is buckling under the weight of new threats. The world may no longer shudder at the prospect of war between two nuclear superpowers, but proliferation may increase the risk of catastrophe. Terrorism has long been a tactic, but modern technology allows a few small men with outsized rage to murder innocents on a horrific scale.

It looks like he recognizes terrorism as a threat to me.
 
Well the first thing Obama has to come to terms with is that this is no police action but it is and actual war on terror........

I wonder why that did not happen when Bush was president......I agree with you there are a lot of soft targets in this country after 9/11 I thought we would have some type of terror attack against this country every week.........Didn't happen.......

Shoe bomber? DC sniper? USS cole? guy who grenaded his fellow soldiers? 9/11?

These all were under Bush, yet nobody attributes them to him.

Underwear bomber, Ft. Hood. "Terrorist attacks under Obama's watch!"

How can you not see the hypocrisy.
 
I wonder why that did not happen when Bush was president......I agree with you there are a lot of soft targets in this country after 9/11 I thought we would have some type of terror attack against this country every week.........Didn't happen.......

I don't agree Navy.

We had:
anthrax mailings
The DC Sniper
The Shoe Bomber
USS Cole

Our country is huge and complex. I don't care who is in charge, terrorism will not be stopped 100%
 
I think the speech he received when he received the Nobel Prize is an indication of his stance.



It looks like he recognizes terrorism as a threat to me.

Do you know how long Obama was in office when he was nominated for the Nobel prize? that would be 11 days.......He officially became pres on 20 January and the nominations were due on 1 Feb.....so much for the Nobel Prize...

Why soesn't he say that then?
 
Do you know how long Obama was in office when he was nominated for the Nobel prize? that would be 11 days.......He officially became pres on 20 January and the nominations were due on 1 Feb.....so much for the Nobel Prize...

Why soesn't he say that then?

Whether he deserved the prize is a different debate.

I just went to that speech because it would be easy to find the quote I was looking for.

He has. He might disagree on how to be prosecute the war, but I don't think anyone can say he is ignoring it. I mean he just threw a bunch of money at the Pentagon specifically for fighting Al Quaeda.
 
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I don't agree Navy.

We had:
anthrax mailings
The DC Sniper
The Shoe Bomber
USS Cole

Our country is huge and complex. I don't care who is in charge, terrorism will not be stopped 100%


The Cole was in Yemen
The DC sniper had nothing to do with radical Islam
The shore Bomber happened somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean not Detroit
The anthrax mailings were never tied to radical Islam.......
 
The Cole was in Yemen
The DC sniper had nothing to do with radical Islam
The shore Bomber happened somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean not Detroit
The anthrax mailings were never tied to radical Islam.......

It is terrorism though. I know Al Quaeda is our biggest enemy when it comes to terrorism, but it also comes from other sources as well. It would be irresponsible to not look at the whole picture.
 
Whether he deserved the prize is a different debate.

I just went to that speech because it would be easy to find the quote I was looking for.

He has. He might disagree on how to be prosecute the war, but I don't think anyone can say he is ignoring it. I mean he just threw a bunch of money at the Pentagon specifically for fighting Al Quaeda.

Well you brought up the Nobel Prize, not me........

Why do you think there have more more attacks or attmepted attacks in a year under Obama then there were in almost 8 years under Bush?
 
It is terrorism though. I know Al Quaeda is our biggest enemy when it comes to terrorism, but it also comes from other sources as well. It would be irresponsible to not look at the whole picture.

I guess where we disagree is I am talking about attacks on mainland or over Mainland USA......
 
Well you brought up the Nobel Prize, not me........

Why do you think there have more more attacks or attmepted attacks in a year under Obama then there were in almost 8 years under Bush?

I brought up the nobel prize because I needed to quote the president on something. It is one thing for me to assert that the man feels a certain way, but it is more credible if I quote him. Anyway, not important.

You are correct, there have been a higher frequency in the number of attacks over time since Obama has taken office. A good approach would be to look at what has changed since he took on the office to see if we can find a causal link.

We have (domestic, per your last post):
1. Ft Hood. It is debatable whether that dude was an extremist or simply crazy. I am going with single crazy dude since he was not part of an islamic organization, but it is clear he acted alone.
2. Austin. This was the single act of a crazy person. There is no bigger conspiracy.
3. Christmas attack. This was actual bonafied Islamic terrorism. It was in the air though. So this is in the same category as the shoe bomb.
4. Alabama, another crazy dude.

Major policy antiterrorism changes.
1. Intent to close down Gitmo.
2. Surge in Afghanistan
3. Seeking prosecution in civilian court
4. Draw down in Iraq.

Again, I don't think there is much you can do against lone crazy people. I think you agree, as you said we have a lot of soft targets.

If you look at the list. The only real islamic terrorism is the one that happened on Christmas. I will admit, Obama was a little slow to get on the ball on this one and no the holidays aren't a good excuse. But this attack came out of yemen so I do not see a link between this and Obama's policy changes since he took over from Bush.

In fact, he is taking steps to combat it, a lot of the extra money he sent towards the pentagon is for special forces and drone operations in yemen.
 
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^^ The Bush administration tried several terrorists in civilian courts, this isn't a change. Of course, conservatives rewrite history so they never acknowledge such things.

Do you know how long Obama was in office when he was nominated for the Nobel prize? that would be 11 days.......He officially became pres on 20 January and the nominations were due on 1 Feb.....so much for the Nobel Prize...

Why soesn't he say that then?

Half of his speech was talking about how we need to fight terrorism, but you didn't watch it, did you?

Anthrax mailings! I forgot about that one. There's another terrorist attack Bush is responsible for!!!

(if we're going by your rules anyway, I don't blame Bush for any of those attacks)
 
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