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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think the most important people are the active duty military secondly Veterans and retirees... These are the people who the policy affects and who know....
    Except the policy doesn't affect veterans and retirees at all.

    I and don't want to see it change because I feel it might destroy the Navy I love.......That is why I believe I should be polled.......
    You are no more qualified to be polled because "it might destroy the navy [you] love" than a gay person is qualified to be polled because "It infringes upon my ability of free speech to state my sexual orientation openly".

    Both could make a round about argument that somehow, someway, this affects them....but unless you, or he, are IN the military NOW or are planning on joining and serving soon, both of yours lives will be impacted DIRECTLY the exact same.

    Nada.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, in that case, the guys at the top want it done so lets quit screwing around and do it already. The military is not a democracy, so nobody should really care what you, me, or Navy Pride think.

    edit: Plus we all know the Navy is probably 60% gay already, right? We should be discussing whether to allow straight people to serve openly! :P
    That would be correct. If the Chief military officer and the Commander in Chief are in agreement on military policy, then that should be the policy. No "ifs," "and," or "buts" about it. The military isn't a democracy, and all this polling BS, and "oh I'm so worried the precious military I served in will fall apart if gays serve" is nothing but malarkey. The acting top leaders of the military have decided to change it and veterans embarrass themselves when they go around complaining about it and other people embarrass themselves when they cite opinion polls as if they should determine the issues of national security.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
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    Just more proof that slowly but surely the anti-gay crowd is eventually going to disappear.

    This is good news. Let's end DADT. And then a year from now laugh about how stupid it was to have it in the first place.
    You can say that General Colin Powell is stupid, by I won't.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can say that General Colin Powell is stupid, by I won't.
    Powell supports the repeal of DADT.

    Colin Powell Supports Repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can say that General Colin Powell is stupid, by I won't.
    He has admitted that he made a mistake, essentially. Shows both intelligence and courage. The hardest thing to do is admit that you were wrong.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He has admitted that he made a mistake, essentially. Shows both intelligence and courage. The hardest thing to do is admit that you were wrong.
    He never said that he was wrong, he said that attitudes had changed.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can say that General Colin Powell is stupid, by I won't.
    General Powell and Vice President Cheney both supporting at least a review of the policy is both a pleasant surprise, and hurtful to the case of those against.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    None my left wing friend I will play your silly game though...What evidence do you have that they were?
    I was not the one that made this statement ~

    "I do think retirees should be polled to though.......I mean they poll they took was of people who were clueless about life in the military...If you can poll them then you can poll people who have been there and experienced
    what its like,,,,,"


    But your honesty in admitting that was baseless is appreciated.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Fox uses an outside company called Opinion Dynamics to run their polls. At least they always used to. They have an office in San Francisco, not that that's at all relevant to polls abut gays.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Fox uses an outside company called Opinion Dynamics to run their polls. At least they always used to. They have an office in San Francisco, not that that's at all relevant to polls abut gays.
    I'm not sure where this poll was taken, but just because their office is in San Francisco doesn't mean that's the only place they called for opinions.

    Here's the info from the article:
    The national telephone poll was conducted for Fox News by Opinion Dynamics Corp. among 900 registered voters from February 2 to February 3. For the total sample, the poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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