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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    You think this will happen before the military finishes there one year investigation?

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is not up to the military. Congress has to over turn it.
    Yeah, no ****. I didn't say any different. Are you that dense or just trying to be annoying on purpose?

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Policy/Strategic failures, yes. Individual failure? No.

    Did anyone blame Bush when SGT Akbar threw grenades into my Brigade's command tent in Kuwait just prior to the invasion of Iraq?

    No, of course not that would be silly. Even though his chain of command didn't want to deploy him because of major behavior concerns. The buck doesn't always stop with the President. That is a very amateur viewpoint.

    Please hold people responsible for their actions. I thought you were a conservative? Because you sound like a big govt. liberal right now.
    Depends if Obama does anything to prevent this from happening agaim. Notice the tent grenades did not happen again after that.

    I understand the ladder of command but Obama must make sure those under him take steps and set up policies to prevent this type of thing from happening again.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Yeah, no ****. I didn't say any different. Are you that dense or just trying to be annoying on purpose?
    The left keeps promoting certain General's views. They can not change it.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Depends if Obama does anything to prevent this from happening agaim.
    Fort Hood has already taken these measures. It's an Army issue, not a Presidential issue. The Army needs to fix this.

    Notice the tent grenades did not happen again after that.
    Actually it did. There were several more high-profile "fragging" cases after Akbar in 2003. So there you go. But I don't blame Bush, unlike you.

    I understand the ladder of command but Obama must make sure those under him take steps and set up policies to prevent this type of thing from happening again.
    Again, very amateurish to make this an issue at the highest levels. These are Army problems that must be mitigated by the Army, which trust me, is already happening. We don't take threats to the chain of command or other soldiers lightly.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The left keeps promoting certain General's views. They can not change it.
    Well, I don't spend my days worrying about what particular hacks are saying about anything. I did not say that Generals or the President could overturn the policy; I am acutely aware that is not the case. Not sure who specifically "the left" is in this instance. I think anyone with a clue who is tuned into the issue knows full well it will take congress to overturn.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Fort Hood has already taken these measures. It's an Army issue, not a Presidential issue. The Army needs to fix this.



    Actually it did. There were several more high-profile "fragging" cases after Akbar in 2003. So there you go. But I don't blame Bush, unlike you.



    Again, very amateurish to make this an issue at the highest levels. These are Army problems that must be mitigated by the Army, which trust me, is already happening. We don't take threats to the chain of command or other soldiers lightly.
    So Obama as Commander in chief is not responsible to make sure his generals fix this?

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    Well, I don't spend my days worrying about what particular hacks are saying about anything. I did not say that Generals or the President could overturn the policy; I am acutely aware that is not the case. Not sure who specifically "the left" is in this instance. I think anyone with a clue who is tuned into the issue knows full well it will take congress to overturn.
    You brought up Patreus.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So Obama as Commander in chief is not responsible to make sure his generals fix this?
    Dude, seriously.

    I have defeated your argument that Ft. Hood was Obama's fault. It clearly was not. Thanks for conceding.

    I am 100% sure that Obama has talked personally with Army CoS GEN Casey to take measures to ensure that this doesn't happen again. Actually, I know it for a fact. We have already seen the residual effects of policy changes.

    I am not saying that the President should not take action here. I am simply saying that blaming him for what happened is a bridge to far, just like I would say that if Bush was President.

    It's a matter of understanding the chain of responsibility and WHO at WHAT level can effectively prevent individual action. What you are saying is that Obama found out about MAJ Hassan and said, "oh well, this guy sounds like he's not crazy, so let him be". We of course know that it didn't happen that way. What we do know is that MAJ Hassan's behavior was noticed and reported and nothing was done. THAT is the fault of his immediate supervisors.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You brought up Patreus.
    No Navy Pride brought up Petraeus. I responded to him.

    You butted in.

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