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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

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    Fox producer: no error in graphic; Media Matters responds - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

    And a link to media matters that has the video as-aired

    Fox News fiddles with climate change polling | Media Matters for America

    The fact that these guys didn't notice while talking about it.... :facepalm:

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    But Lauren Petterson, executive producer of Fox & Friends, told POLITICO that she sees no error in the graphic. And for that reason, there will be no reprimand of staff under the “zero tolerance" policy.[for mistakes]
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Just found this article, and rather than create a whole new thread, figured I would stick it in here: Don't ask when: Repeal of gay ban won't be soon - Yahoo! News

    As that study gets under way, officials were expected by mid-March to suggest ways to relax enforcement of the law. Of particular interest is minimizing cases of "third party outings," where a service member is kicked out after being reported by others to be gay.

    The protracted time line is about more than giving military leaders time to assess the impact on troops and put new rules in place. The multiyear process also is a strategic way of getting troops used to the idea before they have to accept change.
    Basically, it sounds like the government and military is moving forward, but rather than do it all at once, they will incrementally change the rules over the course of years. Interestingly, Vice President Cheney said he does support at least a review of the DADT rules:

    "When the chiefs come forward and say we think we can do it, it strikes me it's time to reconsider the policy," he said. "I'm reluctant to second-guess the military in this regard."
    While personally I think DADT can be repealed and gays allowed to serve openly without a phasing in(DADT was in fact a phasing in of such a policy), I can understand the reasoning behind going slower, and as long as we are moving the right direction, I am at least a little happy.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    But Navy, that's not what you said. You didn't say it was important to get ideas from those that have a life in the military. You wanted a more accurate poll by asking people it AFFECTS..
    I think the most important people are the active duty military secondly Veterans and retirees... These are the people who the policy affects and who know....

    It doesn't AFFECT Veterans, not in any definite tangible way. I don't care if they're 22 or 82, if they're no longer in the military having gays in the military affects them no more than any other person that isn't in the military.
    I and don't want to see it change because I feel it might destroy the Navy I love.......That is why I believe I should be polled.......

    No one is a better judge of what the military can handle in regards to gays being members right now than those that are in it right now, and next to that are those that are most likely to be in it in the future
    I agree......
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    I love that there are people of out there who believe issues of national security should be determined by opinion polls. I think making the military into a democracy would probably be considerably more harmful, than allowing gays to serve in it, but that is just me.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I love that there are people of out there who believe issues of national security should be determined by opinion polls. I think making the military into a democracy would probably be considerably more harmful, than allowing gays to serve in it, but that is just me.
    Is any one saying that polling should be the basis for a change? Even Navy I think is not saying that, but trying to counter this polls numbers with what he sees as more important numbers.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Is any one saying that polling should be the basis for a change? Even Navy I think is not saying that, but trying to counter this polls numbers with what he sees as more important numbers.
    Just clarifying. Poll numbers are utter bull. Just slightly changing the wording of the question can dramatically change the results.

    'Gay men and lesbians' poll better than 'homosexuals' - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    I don't know why they get as much credence as they do.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Just clarifying. Poll numbers are utter bull. Just slightly changing the wording of the question can dramatically change the results.

    'Gay men and lesbians' poll better than 'homosexuals' - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    I don't know why they get as much credence as they do.
    Just because they are interesting. Trends are more important than the actual individual numbers, and society has been trending towards being much more accepting of gays.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just because they are interesting. Trends are more important than the actual individual numbers, and society has been trending towards being much more accepting of gays.
    As long as you call them "gay men and lesbians" it seems.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    As long as you call them "gay men and lesbians" it seems.
    No, that is why trends are the key. The exact numbers will change, but the trends should be fairly consistent. If one poll goes from 20 to 50 % over a period of time, and another goes from 40 to 60 % when polling on the same thing over the same time period with different wording, then you can at least say that there is a definite trend.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I love that there are people of out there who believe issues of national security should be determined by opinion polls. I think making the military into a democracy would probably be considerably more harmful, than allowing gays to serve in it, but that is just me.
    Well, in that case, the guys at the top want it done so lets quit screwing around and do it already. The military is not a democracy, so nobody should really care what you, me, or Navy Pride think.

    edit: Plus we all know the Navy is probably 60% gay already, right? We should be discussing whether to allow straight people to serve openly! :P
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