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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I brought up the nobel prize because I needed to quote the president on something. It is one thing for me to assert that the man feels a certain way, but it is more credible if I quote him. Anyway, not important.

    You are correct, there have been a higher frequency in the number of attacks over time since Obama has taken office. A good approach would be to look at what has changed since he took on the office to see if we can find a causal link.

    We have (domestic, per your last post):
    1. Ft Hood. It is debatable whether that dude was an extremist or simply crazy. I am going with single crazy dude since he was not part of an islamic organization, but it is clear he acted alone.
    2. Austin. This was the single act of a crazy person. There is no bigger conspiracy.
    3. Christmas attack. This was actual bonafied Islamic terrorism. It was in the air though. So this is in the same category as the shoe bomb.
    4. Alabama, another crazy dude.

    Major policy antiterrorism changes.
    1. Intent to close down Gitmo.
    2. Surge in Afghanistan
    3. Seeking prosecution in civilian court
    4. Draw down in Iraq.

    Again, I don't think there is much you can do against lone crazy people. I think you agree, as you said we have a lot of soft targets.

    If you look at the list. The only real islamic terrorism is the one that happened on Christmas. I will admit, Obama was a little slow to get on the ball on this one and no the holidays aren't a good excuse. But this attack came out of yemen so I do not see a link between this and Obama's policy changes since he took over from Bush.

    In fact, he is taking steps to combat it, a lot of the extra money he sent towards the pentagon is for special forces and drone operations in yemen.
    1. Ft hood is not debateable....that guy was and islamic nut......
    2. Agreed
    3. The Christmas attack was over Detroit.....The shoe guy was over the atlantic..
    4. Agreed

    1. Promise to close first year in office....hasn't happened yet nor will it........
    2. Agreed but after 3 months of the General begging for it to happen
    3. Wrong thing to do, even Libs say so, tribunals cheaper and quicker
    4. Thanks to Bush surge winning the war.....Bush would be doing same thing..

    1. Health plan: Not happening
    2. Cap and Trade total failure
    3. Social Security nothing done
    4. will raise taxes during a recession ..economists say not good.......
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    What sort of homophobic gay-hating fascist bigots would have ever created DADT in the first place? Sheesh.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ^^ The Bush administration tried several terrorists in civilian courts, this isn't a change. Of course, conservatives rewrite history so they never acknowledge such things.



    Half of his speech was talking about how we need to fight terrorism, but you didn't watch it, did you?

    Anthrax mailings! I forgot about that one. There's another terrorist attack Bush is responsible for!!!

    (if we're going by your rules anyway, I don't blame Bush for any of those attacks)


    He has yet to call the murders at Ft Hood terrorism

    Again in his speech its a police action

    There has never been a tie to islamic radical....just some nut.........

    Bush Derves some blame for 9/11 but so does Clinton.........
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What sort of homophobic gay-hating fascist bigots would have ever created DADT in the first place? Sheesh.
    Agreed, should go back to the old way when you enlisted......
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    He has yet to call the murders at Ft Hood terrorism

    Again in his speech its a police action

    There has never been a tie to islamic radical....just some nut.........

    Bush Derves some blame for 9/11 but so does Clinton.........
    Yes, both presidents share the blame I accept that. But who would you declare war on in relation to Ft. Hood? What country would you invade?

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    1. Ft hood is not debateable....that guy was and islamic nut......
    2. Agreed
    3. The Christmas attack was over Detroit.....The shoe guy was over the atlantic..
    4. Agreed

    1. Promise to close first year in office....hasn't happened yet nor will it........
    2. Agreed but after 3 months of the General begging for it to happen
    3. Wrong thing to do, even Libs say so, tribunals cheaper and quicker
    4. Thanks to Bush surge winning the war.....Bush would be doing same thing..

    1. Health plan: Not happening
    2. Cap and Trade total failure
    3. Social Security nothing done
    4. will raise taxes during a recession ..economists say not good.......
    I think you are getting off the subject here. What I am trying to do is to find a link to what Obama did that might have caused increases in terrorism. Health Care, cap and trade, etc don't have much to do with the military or defense policy.

    Also, I disagree, I think the primary factor in the Ft. Hood shooting was insanity. But either way, no matter what it was, what was the domestic policy change that happened under Obama that allowed these things to happen that was different under Bush?
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, both presidents share the blame I accept that. But who would you declare war on in relation to Ft. Hood? What country would you invade?

    Islamic terrorists, Obama and his crew did not even mention them after the event.........
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think you are getting off the subject here. What I am trying to do is to find a link to what Obama did that might have caused increases in terrorism. Health Care, cap and trade, etc don't have much to do with the military or defense policy.

    Also, I disagree, I think the primary factor in the Ft. Hood shooting was insanity. But either way, no matter what it was, what was the domestic policy change that happened under Obama that allowed these things to happen that was different under Bush?

    That is just it.......He won't say islamic terrorists....as far as the other things I mentioned they are things he vowed to fix and it is not happening

    As far as FT Hood goes you have a radical Islamic nut in the army killing 13 people and praising his God as he does it.........If that isw not radical islam I don't know what is..........

    Those things did not happen under Bush on mainland USA......

    Gotta go my friend........Good debate........
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is just it.......He won't say islamic terrorists....
    Perhaps he disagrees with your assessment of the situation. I don't think it is a cut and dry case since there are elements of both crazy and religious extremism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    As far as FT Hood goes you have a radical Islamic nut in the army killing 13 people and praising his God as he does it.........If that isw not radical islam I don't know what is..........
    It is radical islamism, but it may not be terrorism. Terrorism has to have a very clear political agenda that makes an attempt to cause the terrorized group to change some sort of behavior. This is more of a revenge killing, akin to what happened yesterday in Austin. To me this is a pretty obvious distinction. The point is, I think the reason Obama didn't link this to what you believe are the causes is that perhaps he believes differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Those things did not happen under Bush on mainland USA......

    Gotta go my friend........Good debate........
    I know they didn't happen under Bush. The question is why did they not happen under Bush. The majority of the policies under Bush are still in effect, except for the changes I mentioned (and I will admit I may have left out some, this is not a subject I pay a lot of attention to). So if we can figure out what changed and why that change resulted in more terrorism, then we can figure out what needs to be changed back or at least what Obama's error was.

    I don't think it would be credible to make the case that the presence of Bush or Obama is enough to change the actions of the terrorists.

    Now that I've figured out your personality better, you can be a cool guy to chat with.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You being military know that the Buck stops with the prez........How is Bush the blame for Fort Hood?
    I said that Hasan became radicalized while Bush was President.

    I find it hard to lie blame for everything that happens on the President of the United States.

    I didn't agree with it when they did it to Bush, and I don't agree with it when they do it to Obama. The President can't control everything.

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