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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well the first thing Obama has to come to terms with is that this is no police action but it is and actual war on terror........

    I wonder why that did not happen when Bush was president......I agree with you there are a lot of soft targets in this country after 9/11 I thought we would have some type of terror attack against this country every week.........Didn't happen.......
    Shoe bomber? DC sniper? USS cole? guy who grenaded his fellow soldiers? 9/11?

    These all were under Bush, yet nobody attributes them to him.

    Underwear bomber, Ft. Hood. "Terrorist attacks under Obama's watch!"

    How can you not see the hypocrisy.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I wonder why that did not happen when Bush was president......I agree with you there are a lot of soft targets in this country after 9/11 I thought we would have some type of terror attack against this country every week.........Didn't happen.......
    I don't agree Navy.

    We had:
    anthrax mailings
    The DC Sniper
    The Shoe Bomber
    USS Cole

    Our country is huge and complex. I don't care who is in charge, terrorism will not be stopped 100%

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I think the speech he received when he received the Nobel Prize is an indication of his stance.



    It looks like he recognizes terrorism as a threat to me.
    Do you know how long Obama was in office when he was nominated for the Nobel prize? that would be 11 days.......He officially became pres on 20 January and the nominations were due on 1 Feb.....so much for the Nobel Prize...

    Why soesn't he say that then?
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Do you know how long Obama was in office when he was nominated for the Nobel prize? that would be 11 days.......He officially became pres on 20 January and the nominations were due on 1 Feb.....so much for the Nobel Prize...

    Why soesn't he say that then?
    Whether he deserved the prize is a different debate.

    I just went to that speech because it would be easy to find the quote I was looking for.

    He has. He might disagree on how to be prosecute the war, but I don't think anyone can say he is ignoring it. I mean he just threw a bunch of money at the Pentagon specifically for fighting Al Quaeda.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't agree Navy.

    We had:
    anthrax mailings
    The DC Sniper
    The Shoe Bomber
    USS Cole

    Our country is huge and complex. I don't care who is in charge, terrorism will not be stopped 100%

    The Cole was in Yemen
    The DC sniper had nothing to do with radical Islam
    The shore Bomber happened somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean not Detroit
    The anthrax mailings were never tied to radical Islam.......
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The Cole was in Yemen
    The DC sniper had nothing to do with radical Islam
    The shore Bomber happened somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean not Detroit
    The anthrax mailings were never tied to radical Islam.......
    It is terrorism though. I know Al Quaeda is our biggest enemy when it comes to terrorism, but it also comes from other sources as well. It would be irresponsible to not look at the whole picture.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Whether he deserved the prize is a different debate.

    I just went to that speech because it would be easy to find the quote I was looking for.

    He has. He might disagree on how to be prosecute the war, but I don't think anyone can say he is ignoring it. I mean he just threw a bunch of money at the Pentagon specifically for fighting Al Quaeda.
    Well you brought up the Nobel Prize, not me........

    Why do you think there have more more attacks or attmepted attacks in a year under Obama then there were in almost 8 years under Bush?
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It is terrorism though. I know Al Quaeda is our biggest enemy when it comes to terrorism, but it also comes from other sources as well. It would be irresponsible to not look at the whole picture.
    I guess where we disagree is I am talking about attacks on mainland or over Mainland USA......
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well you brought up the Nobel Prize, not me........

    Why do you think there have more more attacks or attmepted attacks in a year under Obama then there were in almost 8 years under Bush?
    I brought up the nobel prize because I needed to quote the president on something. It is one thing for me to assert that the man feels a certain way, but it is more credible if I quote him. Anyway, not important.

    You are correct, there have been a higher frequency in the number of attacks over time since Obama has taken office. A good approach would be to look at what has changed since he took on the office to see if we can find a causal link.

    We have (domestic, per your last post):
    1. Ft Hood. It is debatable whether that dude was an extremist or simply crazy. I am going with single crazy dude since he was not part of an islamic organization, but it is clear he acted alone.
    2. Austin. This was the single act of a crazy person. There is no bigger conspiracy.
    3. Christmas attack. This was actual bonafied Islamic terrorism. It was in the air though. So this is in the same category as the shoe bomb.
    4. Alabama, another crazy dude.

    Major policy antiterrorism changes.
    1. Intent to close down Gitmo.
    2. Surge in Afghanistan
    3. Seeking prosecution in civilian court
    4. Draw down in Iraq.

    Again, I don't think there is much you can do against lone crazy people. I think you agree, as you said we have a lot of soft targets.

    If you look at the list. The only real islamic terrorism is the one that happened on Christmas. I will admit, Obama was a little slow to get on the ball on this one and no the holidays aren't a good excuse. But this attack came out of yemen so I do not see a link between this and Obama's policy changes since he took over from Bush.

    In fact, he is taking steps to combat it, a lot of the extra money he sent towards the pentagon is for special forces and drone operations in yemen.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    ^^ The Bush administration tried several terrorists in civilian courts, this isn't a change. Of course, conservatives rewrite history so they never acknowledge such things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Do you know how long Obama was in office when he was nominated for the Nobel prize? that would be 11 days.......He officially became pres on 20 January and the nominations were due on 1 Feb.....so much for the Nobel Prize...

    Why soesn't he say that then?
    Half of his speech was talking about how we need to fight terrorism, but you didn't watch it, did you?

    Anthrax mailings! I forgot about that one. There's another terrorist attack Bush is responsible for!!!

    (if we're going by your rules anyway, I don't blame Bush for any of those attacks)
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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