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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Gays don't want parents to explain it to their kids, they want to do it their way which will be 180 out.........
    Firstly, you have no proof of this. Secondly, not gays, not me, not you can control what parents say to their kids.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Very true, and I think a lot of the paranoia surround sexual education for children that young is based on people thinking that they will be teaching kids about lude and disgusting things. Obviously, that wouldn't be the case. They will teach the kids what they can handle at that age.
    It is the parents job at that age not the schools. This is the GLSEN starting indoctrination of our society.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is the parents job at that age not the schools. This is the GLSEN starting indoctrination of our society.
    And this comment is nothing but overdramatic propaganda. The sky is NOT falling.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is the parents job at that age not the schools. This is the GLSEN starting indoctrination of our society.
    Indoctrination for what? Letting people know they exist? Wanting to be treated the same as anyone else? I know...that's some pretty insidious stuff.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Because parents aren't doing their job in teaching this stuff to their children. And it is understandable, because the sex talk that parents have with their kids is uncomfortable for both parties.

    Show proof. Why does a kindergarten child need to be taught if they have questions they will ask.

    Obviously you are going to explain sex to a 5th grader far differently than you would to a kid in kindergarten. As CC said earlier, it is most likely from a very limited biological viewpoint, without going in depth into stuff that is more lude and potentially offensive.

    It is not about sex in kindergarten but more about it is ok to be gay and that is normal. Many parents would not agree and schools should not have the right to teach what is moral and what is not that is the parents job.

    And with good reason. I can see if it is a Christian school, but why should Christianity's particular brand of morality be taught at a public school?
    Than why should teachers say it is normal and promote that as moral? The parents should teach this not schools.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Father Jailed Opposing Gay Education For Kindergarten Son

    For David Parker, the first alarm went off in January, when his 5-year-old son came home from his kindergarten class at Lexington's Joseph Estabrook School with a bag of books promoting diversity.

    Inside were books about foreign cultures and traditions, along with food recipes. There was also a copy of ''Who's In a Family?" by Robert Skutch, which depicts different kinds of families, including same-sex couples raising children.

    The book's contents concerned Parker and prompted him to begin a series of e-mail exchanges with school officials on the subject that culminated in a meeting Wednesday night with Estabrook's principal and district director of instruction. The meeting ended with Parker's arrest after he refused to leave the school, and the Lexington man spent the night in jail.

    Yesterday, Parker was arraigned in Concord District Court on one count of trespassing, and a not guilty plea was entered on his behalf. Bail was set at $1,000, and Parker was freed after being ordered to stay off Lexington school property. He is due back in court June 1.

    Parker and his wife, Tonia, 34, who was also in court yesterday, said the dispute arose because they asked school officials to notify them about classroom discussions about same-sex marriage and what they called other adult themes. They also wanted the option to exclude their boy, now 6, from those talks.

    Parker said he met with school officials to gain those assurances and then refused to leave until he got them. Parker stayed at Estabrook School for more than two hours, according to Superintendent William J. Hurley, as officials and Lexington police urged him to leave. Finally, they arrested him for trespassing.
    Firstly, the article title is a complete misrepresentation. The father was NOT jailed for opposing gay education in kindergarten. He was jailed for trespassing. Secondly, gay education was NOT being taught. DIVERSITY was, families with other races and other sexualities. Was this appropriate for kindergarten? There seems to be no sexual themes involved, but I would need to look at the book for a complete determination. I've seen books like this and they have been completely benign.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Indoctrination for what? Letting people know they exist? Wanting to be treated the same as anyone else? I know...that's some pretty insidious stuff.
    They'll find out soon enough without it being taught in the classroom.....

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I know I wouldn't want morality to be brought into ANY discussion about science and facts.

    We are talking about sex education, here. This is about discussing factual information. It is the church's and the parents' responsibility to bring morals into any of these issues. It is the school's responsibility to present information.
    No you must not understand.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Firstly, you have no proof of this. Secondly, not gays, not me, not you can control what parents say to their kids.
    The problem is confusing a young child with 2 different ways of what a gay is and if they are a good and normal lifestyle.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show proof. Why does a kindergarten child need to be taught if they have questions they will ask.
    Obviously the parents aren't doing their job in this department because the schools are teaching this stuff. The same goes for sexual education. If parents were collectively responsible enough to teach their kids this stuff the schools wouldn't need to.

    It is not about sex in kindergarten but more about it is ok to be gay and that is normal. Many parents would not agree and schools should not have the right to teach what is moral and what is not that is the parents job.
    Well, I hate to break this to you, but it is okay to be gay. Would you mind showing me where it states in our federal laws that it isn't okay?

    Than why should teachers say it is normal and promote that as moral? The parents should teach this not schools.
    I don't recall any teachers saying it is normal or abnormal. They are teaching kids about diversity.

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