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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    1) Nobody cares what your book says, legally speaking. The bible, qur'an, torah, and similar text are not the basis for our laws. See: Separation of church and state.

    2) You're advocating separate but equal. That has never in history worked out. There are always legal implications of using a different term.

    3) I'm going to pistol whip the next man who uses the phrase "militant gay." (Or "shenanigans.") Have you ever met one? What does a militant gay do? How is getting married ramming a "lifestyle" down your throat? You've just admitted to thinking that their "lifestyle" is not acceptable to you; why not just come out and say you think homosexuality is an abomination?
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Just out of curiosity, Navy, how exactly does one shove the gay lifestyle down someone's throat? Regardless of whether people agree with it or not, it exists. Just as racism will always exist, there will always be people who don't like homosexuals. It's just a fact of life. And the only people I've seen who still consider marriage a sacred union are older people who are from a generation when marriage was a sacred thing. Now it is a joke. People can get married and divorced with ease. I don't see how marriage, in its current form, is too sacred for people of the same sex.
    That is and easy one By pushing gay marriage, DADT, and trying to take the rights away from parents a teaching it to kids in grammar school..........

    A lot of us don't believe marriage is a joke, we believe its a sacred institution......The only reason the divorce rate is up so high is because a lot of young people have sex for the first time and think they are in love so they get married.....after the novelty of sex wears off and that is all there was between the 2 they get divorced.........If you throw all these immature youg people out you would find the divorce rate much lower.......
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    No one is whining. They are simply demanding that they be allowed to serve their country without lying or hiding who they are. It puts their career in jeopardy, as per my earlier link.

    A further point I would like to make, they are discharging some very skilled and valuable service people. Lt. Choi graduated from West Point and is an Arabic translator. Sgt. Bleu Copas was also an Arabic language specialist.

    This is from the article I linked in my earlier reply:

    But the GAO also noted that nearly 800 dismissed gay or lesbian service members had critical abilities, including 300 with important language skills. Fifty-five were proficient in Arabic, including Copas, a graduate of the Defense Language Institute in California.

    Discharging and replacing them has cost the Pentagon nearly $369 million, according to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

    That certainly does not aide in the defense of our country to dismiss people with the abilities we really need now.






    Again, nicely stated.
    Not whining is that why they are in the courts trying to take the voters votes away.

    You are whining shut up and no one will care. no you have to ram you sexual choice down our throats like we care what you do.

    The trick is shut up no one cares and you can have a rewarding military career.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Reno J View Post
    Explain how wanting to serve our country is whining or demanding "special" rights. Seems to me we are all equal in front of the canon. Grow up.
    I have not heard anyone denying you serving your country.......You just have to obey the laws just like the rest of us.......
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The right-wing is deathly afraid of the military's acceptance of gays, because where an organization like the military says, "hey discrimination is wrong" and "gays are ok", it defeats their right-wing social agenda of advancing discrimination.
    They are afraid that if gays are allowed in the military and people see that gays are normal like everyone else, it does not bode well for their anti-gay marriage agenda.
    They want to continue to use the military to advance their religious social agenda. They don't care what is best for the military, they only care what will keep their drowning agenda afloat for another day.
    Acceptance they are going to study it for a year. Then congress has to vote. It is not a done deal so don't count your chickens yet

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Reno J View Post
    Explain how wanting to serve our country is whining or demanding "special" rights. Seems to me we are all equal in front of the canon. Grow up.
    Whining that all must know you are gay. SHUT UP we don't care

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is and easy one By pushing gay marriage, DADT, and trying to take the rights away from parents a teaching it to kids in grammar school..........
    If parents don't want their kids to know about this stuff, perhaps they should homeschool them. There are subtle and delicate ways of describing homosexuals to younger kids. One doesn't have to get descriptive and vulgar. It's a fact of life. You can bury your head in the sand all you want, but it doesn't change anything. It is now 2010 and it is a good chance that children are going to encounter homosexuality whether it be on tv or otherwise. Trying to shelter your kids from it will only result in confusion.

    A lot of us don't believe marriage is a joke, we believe its a sacred institution......The only reason the divorce rate is up so high is because a lot of young people have sex for the first time and think they are in love so they get married.....after the novelty of sex wears off and that is all there was between the 2 they get divorced.........If you throw all these immature youg people out you would find the divorce rate much lower.......
    You can believe it is sacred all you want. The fact of the matter is that it is a mockery compared to the way it was before. There are reality shows based on it. How exactly do you discern the mature younger people from the immature young people and how exactly do you enforce not allowing these people to marry?

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Whining that all must know you are gay. SHUT UP we don't care
    Who cares if they are gay. They just don't to be kicked out if they are gay.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Whining that all must know you are gay. SHUT UP we don't care
    We don't care about your religion either, but that doesn't stop certain mouthy Christians either.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This is all BS. The only people trying to foist their beliefs on anyone are the anti-gay folk that want to keep discrimination in place.

    Nowhere are gays saying that You or anyone else has to condone or accept their "lifestyle" any more than we have to accept ANYONE's lifestyle.
    Its about governmental involvement in discrimination, nothing more...nothing less.

    Why should what YOU consider a "sacred institution" be required to be what your neighbor thinks is a "sacred institution"?
    There were a lot of people who thought slavery was a "Sacred institution"...it didn't make it right.

    There were a lot of people who argued that allowing intermixing of our race as destroying a "sacred insitutition". They were wrong as well.

    Why weren't segregated schools, drinking fountains and theaters good enough?
    After all....separate but equal is fine for you isn't it Navy?

    The whole "Shoving a lifestyle down our throats" is nothing more than a talking point by the anti-gay folk who simply want to keep discrimination well and alive in the United States....well guess what....America is waking up to you and moving in a direction of freedom and justice for ALL...not just some.
    Its like you live in a fantasy world DD.......What the lefties in DP say does not count.......I imagine the most vocal of them are about 10 or 11 years old and are using daddys comouter while he is at work.......

    You keep saying the same thing over and over after each state votes and votes against you........You are losing all contact with reality......You have not won once when the people voted........The only time you have won is when activists have ruled in your favor and they are usually getting overturned like in New Jersey, Maine, and even California...........

    I hate to break it to you buddy but you will not see this thin happen in yours or your kids lifetime........

    Seek help my friend......there are some good medical people that can help you with this fixation........good luck.....
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