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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh please...you wanna talk about using our soldiers as pawns.
    Absolutely, with anyone from the Left, why?

    Answer this question: Why should the men and women of our military EVER be asked to go in and risk their lives and limbs for a lie? For a war based on deceit and manipulation?
    Answer:Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 - SourceWatch

    If you even google a little to learn some history you will see that Cheney and Rumsfield BOTH had been advocating for an invasion of Iraq for a decade.
    So had I!

    They manipulated the public fear and used 911 as a basis to advance this objective.
    I wanted to discuss that with one of you Lefties. Why are you so easily manipulated? I mean Bush manipulated you to war, Obama manipulated you into vioting for an absolute amateur of a President...it's like why is it you can be so easily molded and what not, you don't see us Repubs rolling over for Barack do ya? We're even called the "Party of No" while the Left to this day whines it was manipulated and tricked...lied to and deceived. Why so easily led, why be a constant follower and never a leader.

    Our military were nothing more than pawns in their seedy little hands.
    Our history chock full of military troops being spit on, being criticized. Called murderers by Murtha. Called loser by Reid. Called liars by Hillary Clinton. See any similarities in those three names....that's right...all of em got a D preceeding.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    This whole gay marriage and gays serving openly in the military is nothing but a ploy to stuff the gay lifestyle dow straight peoples throats........To have it accepted as a suitable alternative life style......to teach our kids in school that being gay is a good thing......If that was not the case then the militant gays and the "Feel good" liberals would accept Civil Unions with equal rights or call it any name you want.........just not marriage......You see a lot of us consider marriage a sacred union between a man and a woman and that won't change.......A few militant gays and Liberals won't accept this.......

    At this time I believe civil unions with equal rights are whe way to go but the Conservatives I deal with are slowly going away from this to........Most states are now changing their constitutions to not only not allow gay marriage but also civil unions to.........

    You can thank a few militant gays and some feel good libs for this...........
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I think most gays would be willing to do that as long as their straight counterparts agreed to do the same.
    Its not us its your liberal friends in the media and making movies that put all the sex out there.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Repealing DADT is not meant to be an experiment. It's meant to right a wrong as Admiral Mullen stated:

    "We have in place a policy that forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens," Mullen said. "For me, personally, it comes down to integrity: Theirs as an individual, ours as an institution."

    Yes, they are told to lie and hide who they are or they will be kicked out. True, some volunteer the information, like Lt. Choi, but others are "discovered" because they were caught writing email, or talking to the people they love. This one was discharged because of a "stream of anonymous emails.

    Army dismisses gay Arabic linguist - Military- msnbc.com





    They don't want to tell you about being gay, they just want to date, write and talk to the people they love without fear of retribution.






    Well said.
    Thats funny. It will take years so we will hear gays whining for years.

    Gays want special rights and want everyone to look at them and how great they are.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This whole gay marriage and gays serving openly in the military is nothing but a ploy to stuff the gay lifestyle dow straight peoples throats........To have it accepted as a suitable alternative life style......to teach our kids in school that being gay is a good thing......If that was not the case then the militant gays and the "Feel good" liberals would accept Civil Unions with equal rights or call it any name you want.........just not marriage......You see a lot of us consider marriage a sacred union between a man and a woman and that won't change.......A few militant gays and Liberals won't accept this.......
    Just out of curiosity, Navy, how exactly does one shove the gay lifestyle down someone's throat? Regardless of whether people agree with it or not, it exists. Just as racism will always exist, there will always be people who don't like homosexuals. It's just a fact of life. And the only people I've seen who still consider marriage a sacred union are older people who are from a generation when marriage was a sacred thing. Now it is a joke. People can get married and divorced with ease. I don't see how marriage, in its current form, is too sacred for people of the same sex.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This whole gay marriage and gays serving openly in the military is nothing but a ploy to stuff the gay lifestyle dow straight peoples throats........To have it accepted as a suitable alternative life style......to teach our kids in school that being gay is a good thing......If that was not the case then the militant gays and the "Feel good" liberals would accept Civil Unions with equal rights or call it any name you want.........just not marriage......You see a lot of us consider marriage a sacred union between a man and a woman and that won't change.......A few militant gays and Liberals won't accept this.......

    At this time I believe civil unions with equal rights are whe way to go but the Conservatives I deal with are slowly going away from this to........Most states are now changing their constitutions to not only not allow gay marriage but also civil unions to.........

    You can thank a few militant gays and some feel good libs for this...........
    This is all BS. The only people trying to foist their beliefs on anyone are the anti-gay folk that want to keep discrimination in place.

    Nowhere are gays saying that You or anyone else has to condone or accept their "lifestyle" any more than we have to accept ANYONE's lifestyle.
    Its about governmental involvement in discrimination, nothing more...nothing less.

    Why should what YOU consider a "sacred institution" be required to be what your neighbor thinks is a "sacred institution"?
    There were a lot of people who thought slavery was a "Sacred institution"...it didn't make it right.

    There were a lot of people who argued that allowing intermixing of our race as destroying a "sacred insitutition". They were wrong as well.

    Why weren't segregated schools, drinking fountains and theaters good enough?
    After all....separate but equal is fine for you isn't it Navy?

    The whole "Shoving a lifestyle down our throats" is nothing more than a talking point by the anti-gay folk who simply want to keep discrimination well and alive in the United States....well guess what....America is waking up to you and moving in a direction of freedom and justice for ALL...not just some.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This whole gay marriage and gays serving openly in the military is nothing but a ploy to stuff the gay lifestyle dow straight peoples throats........To have it accepted as a suitable alternative life style......to teach our kids in school that being gay is a good thing......If that was not the case then the militant gays and the "Feel good" liberals would accept Civil Unions with equal rights or call it any name you want.........just not marriage......You see a lot of us consider marriage a sacred union between a man and a woman and that won't change.......A few militant gays and Liberals won't accept this.......

    At this time I believe civil unions with equal rights are whe way to go but the Conservatives I deal with are slowly going away from this to........Most states are now changing their constitutions to not only not allow gay marriage but also civil unions to.........

    You can thank a few militant gays and some feel good libs for this...........
    1) Nobody cares what your book says, legally speaking. The bible, qur'an, torah, and similar text are not the basis for our laws. See: Separation of church and state.

    2) You're advocating separate but equal. That has never in history worked out. There are always legal implications of using a different term.

    3) I'm going to pistol whip the next man who uses the phrase "militant gay." (Or "shenanigans.") Have you ever met one? What does a militant gay do? How is getting married ramming a "lifestyle" down your throat? You've just admitted to thinking that their "lifestyle" is not acceptable to you; why not just come out and say you think homosexuality is an abomination?
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats funny. It will take years so we will hear gays whining for years.

    Gays want special rights and want everyone to look at them and how great they are.
    No one is whining. They are simply demanding that they be allowed to serve their country without lying or hiding who they are. It puts their career in jeopardy, as per my earlier link.

    A further point I would like to make, they are discharging some very skilled and valuable service people. Lt. Choi graduated from West Point and is an Arabic translator. Sgt. Bleu Copas was also an Arabic language specialist.

    This is from the article I linked in my earlier reply:

    But the GAO also noted that nearly 800 dismissed gay or lesbian service members had critical abilities, including 300 with important language skills. Fifty-five were proficient in Arabic, including Copas, a graduate of the Defense Language Institute in California.

    Discharging and replacing them has cost the Pentagon nearly $369 million, according to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

    That certainly does not aide in the defense of our country to dismiss people with the abilities we really need now.



    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This is all BS. The only people trying to foist their beliefs on anyone are the anti-gay folk that want to keep discrimination in place.

    Nowhere are gays saying that You or anyone else has to condone or accept their "lifestyle" any more than we have to accept ANYONE's lifestyle.
    Its about governmental involvement in discrimination, nothing more...nothing less.

    Why should what YOU consider a "sacred institution" be required to be what your neighbor thinks is a "sacred institution"?
    There were a lot of people who thought slavery was a "Sacred institution"...it didn't make it right.

    There were a lot of people who argued that allowing intermixing of our race as destroying a "sacred insitutition". They were wrong as well.

    Why weren't segregated schools, drinking fountains and theaters good enough?
    After all....separate but equal is fine for you isn't it Navy?

    The whole "Shoving a lifestyle down our throats" is nothing more than a talking point by the anti-gay folk who simply want to keep discrimination well and alive in the United States....well guess what....America is waking up to you and moving in a direction of freedom and justice for ALL...not just some.

    Again, nicely stated.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    The right-wing is deathly afraid of the military's acceptance of gays, because where an organization like the military says, "hey discrimination is wrong" and "gays are ok", it defeats their right-wing social agenda of advancing discrimination.
    They are afraid that if gays are allowed in the military and people see that gays are normal like everyone else, it does not bode well for their anti-gay marriage agenda.
    They want to continue to use the military to advance their religious social agenda. They don't care what is best for the military, they only care what will keep their drowning agenda afloat for another day.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats funny. It will take years so we will hear gays whining for years.

    Gays want special rights and want everyone to look at them and how great they are.
    Explain how wanting to serve our country is whining or demanding "special" rights. Seems to me we are all equal in front of the canon. Grow up.
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