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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, let's spend more money on social engineering vice more equipment that could save lives on the battlefield. That's a good common sense approach to running a military.
    However, and I believe this has already been pointed out somewhere in this thread, gays are already in the military and in the rest of society. How is repealing DADT "social engineering". It's done.

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    Where the hell did that **** come from?



    The point I was making, is that the next time the Liberals start whining about soldiers in field lacking equipment, stop and think about the new billets that had to be constructed to accomodate their agenda.
    Why would new billets need to be constructed? Gays are there already.



    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    If gays wouldn't make demands no one would talk about them.
    Demands like refusing to lie about who they are in order to serve in the military?

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    However, and I believe this has already been pointed out somewhere in this thread, gays are already in the military and in the rest of society. How is repealing DADT "social engineering". It's done.
    Its not done openly........Its a social experiment to see what might happen if its done openly....

    Why would new billets need to be constructed? Gays are there already
    See above...

    Demands like refusing to lie about who they are in order to serve in the military?
    They don't have to lie...No one is asking them...To get discharged they volunteer the info or they make advance against straights and get caught........
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

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    However, and I believe this has already been pointed out somewhere in this thread, gays are already in the military and in the rest of society. How is repealing DADT "social engineering". It's done.



    Why would new billets need to be constructed? Gays are there already.





    Demands like refusing to lie about who they are in order to serve in the military?
    Demand that everyone accept their life style.

    To many it is immoral and disgusting. If they do not demand all know what they do in the bedroom no one would care.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Demand that everyone accept their life style.

    To many it is immoral and disgusting. If they do not demand all know what they do in the bedroom no one would care.
    No one is demanding "everyone accept their lifestyle". Gays are not asking you or anyone else to agree with them, simply asking that your prejudiced views are not allowed to evidence themselves in the form of discrimination.

    Get a clue: Many people probably find YOUR lifestyle immoral and disgusting. However, we don't try to meddle in your way of life. You should allow others the same courtesy.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its not done openly........Its a social experiment to see what might happen if its done openly....



    See above...



    They don't have to lie...No one is asking them...To get discharged they volunteer the info or they make advance against straights and get caught........
    The Whole idea behind "social engineering" is a joke and a ploy by the right-wing to hang on to their last grasp of discrimination.

    The military is not a pawn to be played by the right wing and their efforts to block equality and justice for our citizenry.

    Personally, I find it abhorrent that the right-wing thinks that they can use the military to advance their social agenda of hatred and intolerance.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No one is demanding "everyone accept their lifestyle". Gays are not asking you or anyone else to agree with them, simply asking that your prejudiced views are not allowed to evidence themselves in the form of discrimination.

    Get a clue: Many people probably find YOUR lifestyle immoral and disgusting. However, we don't try to meddle in your way of life. You should allow others the same courtesy.
    Thats crap they are even in the schools teaching kindergarten that it is normal.

    No one cares if you are gay just shut up about it and quit demanding we know.

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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The military is not a pawn to be played by the right wing and their efforts to block equality and justice for our citizenry.
    Not a pawn to be politically scuffled over either as the Left declares their war "lost", games are played with their funding, and their Commanders are called liars as they return to report on the battlefield.

    From someone else this argument might actually make sense minus the normal "hatred and intolerance" nonsense. Coming from a far left leaning forum member, the round file is an appropriate filing.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Thats crap they are even in the schools teaching kindergarten that it is normal.

    No one cares if you are gay just shut up about it and quit demanding we know.

    I think most gays would be willing to do that as long as their straight counterparts agreed to do the same.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Not a pawn to be politically scuffled over either as the Left declares their war "lost", games are played with their funding, and their Commanders are called liars as they return to report on the battlefield.

    From someone else this argument might actually make sense minus the normal "hatred and intolerance" nonsense. Coming from a far left leaning forum member, the round file is an appropriate filing.
    Oh please...you wanna talk about using our soldiers as pawns. Answer this question: Why should the men and women of our military EVER be asked to go in and risk their lives and limbs for a lie? For a war based on deceit and manipulation?
    If you even google a little to learn some history you will see that Cheney and Rumsfield BOTH had been advocating for an invasion of Iraq for a decade.
    They manipulated the public fear and used 911 as a basis to advance this objective.
    Our military were nothing more than pawns in their seedy little hands.
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    Re: Fox News Poll: Most Voters Say Allow Gays to Serve Openly

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its not done openly........Its a social experiment to see what might happen if its done openly....



    See above...



    They don't have to lie...No one is asking them...To get discharged they volunteer the info or they make advance against straights and get caught........

    Repealing DADT is not meant to be an experiment. It's meant to right a wrong as Admiral Mullen stated:

    "We have in place a policy that forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens," Mullen said. "For me, personally, it comes down to integrity: Theirs as an individual, ours as an institution."

    Yes, they are told to lie and hide who they are or they will be kicked out. True, some volunteer the information, like Lt. Choi, but others are "discovered" because they were caught writing email, or talking to the people they love. This one was discharged because of a "stream of anonymous emails.

    Army dismisses gay Arabic linguist - Military- msnbc.com



    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Demand that everyone accept their life style.

    To many it is immoral and disgusting. If they do not demand all know what they do in the bedroom no one would care.
    They don't want to tell you about being gay, they just want to date, write and talk to the people they love without fear of retribution.



    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No one is demanding "everyone accept their lifestyle". Gays are not asking you or anyone else to agree with them, simply asking that your prejudiced views are not allowed to evidence themselves in the form of discrimination.

    Get a clue: Many people probably find YOUR lifestyle immoral and disgusting. However, we don't try to meddle in your way of life. You should allow others the same courtesy.

    Well said.

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