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3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

Yes 136 was made by Ptif. As I said you and Ptif started making this a partisan wankfest. Are you proud of yourself? Turning a tragedy into partisan hackery?

you went back and changed your post I responded to

that is rather Cowardly wouldn't you agree?

Now I have a great idea--if you don't like my posts don't read them

what exactly have you added here? We sort of beat the argument to death about allowing responsible adults to carry guns on campus--I with years and years in the legal field think 21 year olds are responsible enough and the great majority of state governments agree with me

C2, who is some sort of shrink is against it based on some research he is famiilar with saying 21 year olds are not mature enough

Maybe you could add something relevant to the original intent of the thread?
 
you went back and changed your post I responded to

that is rather Cowardly wouldn't you agree?

Now I have a great idea--if you don't like my posts don't read them

what exactly have you added here? We sort of beat the argument to death about allowing responsible adults to carry guns on campus--I with years and years in the legal field think 21 year olds are responsible enough and the great majority of state governments agree with me

C2, who is some sort of shrink is against it based on some research he is famiilar with saying 21 year olds are not mature enough

Maybe you could add something relevant to the original intent of the thread?

Nice try jackass but the post is the same as it was when you quoted it. I posted that post back at 8:53 PM EST you quoted it at 9:01 PM EST

Here are the two posts
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Notice that what you quoted me on is the same as what my post said. I can't go back and change something 2 hours later. You can only change your post up to 10 minutes after.

I should expect this level of dishonesty from you by now but to call me cowardly because you're too stupid to read what the post says before you say something is beyond the pale.

Your "years of experience" in the legal field have nothing to do with this subject. Amy Bishop was a faculty member who shot members of the Faculty. What does this have to do with students having guns. What did it have to do with Obama or Biden?

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I see you have deteriorated into calling me a jackass

I am finished with you-you are not worth responding to anymore
 
I see you have deteriorated into calling me a jackass

I am finished with you-you are not worth responding to anymore

You implied that I was cowardly and claimed I changed my post when I did not. You don't debate you make statements that are untrue and off subject then complain when called out about them.
 
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Once again what did her views on Obama have to do with the shooting? Did she at anytime during the shooting mention Obama? Did she single out non-obama supportrs or did she shoot indiscriminately?

Shows me the kind of people that are under Obama's spell
 
That had nothing to do with what was stated. Nowhere during the campaign were they talking about gun control. How have your rights to buy a gun been hindered since Obama took office? What does their gun record have anything to do with this topic?

He has a history of voting Anti-Gun
 
Don't worry Gman, There are still plenty of bullets and guns available to any who can afford them. I got mine.

Actually there is a shortage of Ammo that Obama caused when he stopped the military from recycling the brass of used ammo.
 
He has a history of voting Anti-Gun

Turtle's claim is that this was the most antigun ticket in history. That's incorrect. Obama also voted to allow retired officers to conceal carry. John Kerry and Edwards voted for more gun control than Obama and Biden. This makes turtle's claim false
 
Actually there is a shortage of Ammo that Obama caused when he stopped the military from recycling the brass of used ammo.
No the shortage was caused because a bunch of paranoid people started buying up guns and ammo upon his election out of a paranoid fear he'd take their guns away
 
One of two things is true:
-This policy point was originally part of His campaign, as Holder said
-He hid this policy point until after the election.
You choose.

If you choose door #2, you get to then prove that Holder was lying.

Either way, your denial of the fact that The Obama public supported the AWB before and during the campain verges on willful ignorace -- a rather interesting condition, given that this particular subject, you say, is irrelevant to the topic.

This shows Obama voters knew nothing of Obama's history or what how he stood on issues. It shows the people who voted for Obama were some of the most uninformed voters ever.
 
Turtle's claim is that this was the most antigun ticket in history. That's incorrect. Obama also voted to allow retired officers to conceal carry. John Kerry and Edwards voted for more gun control than Obama and Biden. This makes turtle's claim false

One vote does not mean he is no longer anti-gun.
 
No the shortage was caused because a bunch of paranoid people started buying up guns and ammo upon his election out of a paranoid fear he'd take their guns away

Show proof.

DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers


Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.
 
In all fairness, there have been a good many Repubs whose record on gun rights kinda sucked too, though as a matter of statistics you have more anti-gun Dems than Repubs.

I was gravely disappointed in Bush II, when he avowed that he would sign the sad joke misnamed the "Assault Weapons ban" back into law if Congress sent it to him... I was doubly POed that the Repub Senate passed a version of the AWB, but relieved and cheered that the Repub House refused to renew it.

Granted, there are surely a lot of left-wing Dem politicos who would love to see lots of highly restrictive new gun laws passed, BUT they do seem to have caught on to a political fact: gun control is no longer popular and it costs the Dems elections. Not to say they might not try to sneak something in if they think they can get away with it, but it doesn't seem to be front-burner priority anymore.

The majority of politicians, of whatever stripe, are more concerned with preserving their own power and position than they are about any ideological concern. Making this purely a left-right issue probably isn't accurate; for instance you have quite a number of people on DP who self-identify as liberal, but support the 2A and even have a carry permit.

Meanwhile, the OP is really, fundamentally, about a violent nut who finally blew up in a spectacular fashion... and **** like that happens, I don't know that it is really so much a political football as it is just a commentary on human nature.
 
Show proof.

DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers


Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.


That is one factor, yes, but the ammo shortage actually started several years ago, and several factors were causal:

1. Issues on importing Russian and other mil-surplus ammo, including that Russia started selling a lot of surplus wpns/ammo to Mideastern "clients" instead of the US civilian market.
2. Lots of ammo going to our troops in the mideast, and to allied forces in same AO.
3. China buying up massive amounts of scrap metal and running the price of metals (casings) up.
4. Panic-buying related to the 2008 election.

Actually there were a couple more too, related to me by a buddy who is in the biz, but I forget.

So yeah, there was an "Obama-factor" but that wasn't the sole cause.
 
That is one factor, yes, but the ammo shortage actually started several years ago, and several factors were causal:

1. Issues on importing Russian and other mil-surplus ammo, including that Russia started selling a lot of surplus wpns/ammo to Mideastern "clients" instead of the US civilian market.
2. Lots of ammo going to our troops in the mideast, and to allied forces in same AO.
3. China buying up massive amounts of scrap metal and running the price of metals (casings) up.
4. Panic-buying related to the 2008 election.

Actually there were a couple more too, related to me by a buddy who is in the biz, but I forget.

So yeah, there was an "Obama-factor" but that wasn't the sole cause.

By the way when people complained Obama under pressure allowed the brass to once again be recycled.
 
By the way when people complained Obama under pressure allowed the brass to once again be recycled.

Really? I hadn't heard that; that's good. Ammo has been way too expensive for too long, and I tend to burn through the stuff by the case. :mrgreen:
 
Yeah sure, college students with Assault Rifles. I bet you if those students were armed, the number of deaths from the confusion alone would have been more than those who were actually killed by the gunwoman.

Why?

Every year, thousands of eighteen year olds are trained with the most sophisticated weapons in the world and only rarely does an incident.

Are the men who enlist in the military somehow incredibly smarter than those who go to college? On the average, no.

I can guarantee that on practically every submarine now at sea in the United States Navy, there's an eighteen year old kid driving the thing. The men running that nuclear power plant are almost all younger than your average college senior.

So why assume your average college freshman is too dumb to absorb the training needed to handle a firearm correctly?

He's not.

The average college kid gets the reputation for being a useless irresponsible lout because society expects that of him.

The military expects the men serving to be men, and so they act like men.

Maybe we need to stop rewarding and idolizing ignorance.

A gun's a damn tool. Almost anyone can use a wrench correctly, with minimal training, almost anyone can handle a gun correctly, with minimal training.

To say otherwise is to reveal the stain of elitism on your soul.
 
Granted, there are surely a lot of left-wing Dem politicos who would love to see lots of highly restrictive new gun laws passed, BUT they do seem to have caught on to a political fact: gun control is no longer popular and it costs the Dems elections.

Probably has something to do with the spate of maniac shooters behaving like their the fox in the hen house.

People know that if the hens had guns the foxes wouldn't be able to kill so many.
 
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The personal attacks and accusations stop now.
 
did you start the thread?

other people posted stuff not strictly in line

quit humping my leg

Quit hijacking the thread! And yeah I know you're not the only one.

I'm not to impressed with the moderation here right now either. :roll:
 
One vote does not mean he is no longer anti-gun.
Turtles claim was that this was the most antigun ticket in history. Thats not supported by the facts. Its just another attempt to paint whichever democrat runs each election as out of the mainstream. Its ridiculous.
 
No the shortage was caused because a bunch of paranoid people started buying up guns and ammo upon his election out of a paranoid fear he'd take their guns away
The ammo shortage predates The Obama.
His election just made it worse - and rightly so.
 
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