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3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

TurtleDude said:
you make a valid point but if she were a Palin supporter who shot a couple republicans the barking loons would be having a field day.

However, Obama/Biden was the most anti gun ticket to ever run on a major US party ticket and that makes an Obama slurper with a gun rather interesting.
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Not really it just means someone who got pissed off for being denied Tenure shot other members of faculty. Most anti gun ticket ever? What anti gun measures did they speak of during their campaign?

There's a difference between what happened here and say what happened last year when a conservative opened up on people in a church because he wanted to kill liberals listed in Bernie Goldberg's book.
 
PogueMoran said:
Not sure what this has to do with anything. The shooting wasn't politically motivated and 2 of those she shot were supporters of Obama as well. This had to do with her being denied Tenure and getting pissed off about it. Just another case of a disgruntled worker.
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So tenure is not political?
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ptif219 said:
So tenure is not political?
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Not in regards to national politics no. Here political beliefs had nothing to do with this. This was more along the lines of someone being disgruntled in their job. When people normally go "postal" is that political?
 
PogueMoran said:
Not really it just means someone who got pissed off for being denied Tenure shot other members of faculty. Most anti gun ticket ever? What anti gun measures did they speak of during their campaign?

There's a difference between what happened here and say what happened last year when a conservative opened up on people in a church because he wanted to kill liberals listed in Bernie Goldberg's book.
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check their voting records and history. Obama supported a complete ban on handguns when he was in the state senate. He also called for a ban on "assault weapons". Biden's record is one of the worst in history.
 
TurtleDude said:
check their voting records and history. Obama supported a complete ban on handguns when he was in the state senate. He also called for a ban on "assault weapons". Biden's record is one of the worst in history.
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There already was a ban before on Assault weapons. So again how is this the most anti gun campaign in history if they didn't really talk about it during the campaign?

One of the worst in history? There you go with that qualifier again. Prove it. There are far more liberal people in the senate than biden was.
 
PogueMoran said:
There already was a ban before on Assault weapons. So again how is this the most anti gun campaign in history if they didn't really talk about it during the campaign?

One of the worst in history? There you go with that qualifier again. Prove it. There are far more liberal people in the senate than biden was.
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I am basing it on history. GOre was an A rated Senator by the NRA. Kerry pretended to be a hunter and claimed he didn't want to ban anything. Carter was not particularly anti gun. JFK was an NRA member. LBJ did not have an anti gun record when he ran. Obama and Biden both had F ratings from every major pro gun group in the USA.

That there are more liberal people in the senate than Biden means nothing

They weren't on presidential tickets and BIDEN voted against gun owners interests ON EVERY BILL that was relevant his entire senate career.

The only time Obama ever supported the NRA position was the bill that prevented (in wake of the idiocy in New Orleans) seizing lawfully owned guns (since Blacks were targeted for that fascism, many black liberals voted with the NRA-even Cynthia McKinney lambasted that exercise of government rape of freedom)

http://wwwtmrcom.blogspot.com/2008/09/nra-obama-most-anti-gun-candidate-ever.html

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/09/clinging-to-religion-and-guns.html


http://www.firearmsfirst.com/
 
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PogueMoran said:
Not in regards to national politics no. Here political beliefs had nothing to do with this. This was more along the lines of someone being disgruntled in their job. When people normally go "postal" is that political?
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So getting tenure does not include playing politics in the workplace.

There are all kinds of politics.

Being a University most of the faculty is more likely liberal.
 
PogueMoran said:
There already was a ban before on Assault weapons. So again how is this the most anti gun campaign in history if they didn't really talk about it during the campaign?

One of the worst in history? There you go with that qualifier again. Prove it. There are far more liberal people in the senate than biden was.
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Gun BaN Obama

Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
 
ptif219 said:
Gun BaN Obama

Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
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Obama got an f from the anti gun lobby.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
That leads me to believe that you have a mental disease for thinking that.
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Moderator's Warning:
This leads me to believe that you need to stop making personal attacks or there will be further consequences.
 
ptif219 said:
So getting tenure does not include playing politics in the workplace.

There are all kinds of politics.

Being a University most of the faculty is more likely liberal.
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Of course there are politics in the workplace. But you do understand the difference between workplace politics and National politics, right? Please show some evidence that her being a liberal motivated the attack in any way.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am basing it on history. GOre was an A rated Senator by the NRA. Kerry pretended to be a hunter and claimed he didn't want to ban anything. Carter was not particularly anti gun. JFK was an NRA member. LBJ did not have an anti gun record when he ran. Obama and Biden both had F ratings from every major pro gun group in the USA.

That there are more liberal people in the senate than Biden means nothing

They weren't on presidential tickets and BIDEN voted against gun owners interests ON EVERY BILL that was relevant his entire senate career.

The only time Obama ever supported the NRA position was the bill that prevented (in wake of the idiocy in New Orleans) seizing lawfully owned guns (since Blacks were targeted for that fascism, many black liberals voted with the NRA-even Cynthia McKinney lambasted that exercise of government rape of freedom)

The McCarville Report Online: NRA: Obama Most Anti-Gun Candidate Ever

Xavier Thoughts: Clinging to Religion and Guns


Firearms 1st- Review and Discussion
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Ah I see you skipped over Bill Clinton. Even so the NRA campaigned heavily against Gore. Clinton passed several gun laws while president and ran talking about gun control while he was governor. Obama and Biden didnt really talk about it during the campaign which is why its hard to believe that this was the most antigun campaign in history when they didnt really campaign on gun control.

This has no relevance to the topic however as this shooting wasnt politically motivated and it goes against the notion we should be arming teachers.
 
ptif219 said:
So getting tenure does not include playing politics in the workplace.

There are all kinds of politics.

Being a University most of the faculty is more likely liberal.
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it has nothing to do with Obama like youre trying to make it about. She killed people with her own beliefs. She pulled out a gun and started shooting those sat near her first then worked her way outward it was indiscriminate.
 
ptif219 said:
Gun BaN Obama

Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
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Did he campaign during this past election on an assault weapons ban?
 
Goshin said:
My point stands: statistically there is no reason to believe that allowing adult CCW on campus would increase risks at all, and there is the possibility of saving lives the next time one of these mass-shooters goes off.
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Three words:
Circular
Firing
Squad.

Nightmare scenario #1
Lots of jumpy kids with guns shooting at other jumpy kids with guns because each thinks the other is the shooter.

Nightmare scenario #2
S.W.A.T arrives and drops lots of jumpy kids with guns who didn't have the brains to drop them an look harmless.
 
Lets go to a letter from an eyewitness:

Former UCI student saw faculty shootings - College Life OC : The Orange County Register

Dear Alex,

Thank you for your thoughts and concern.

The last couple of days are still unbelievable. I am still in complete shock that we were shot at during a faculty meeting. We were 12 all together (including the shooter) sitting around an oval table in a modest size conference room . There were only one door to enter/exit. The shooter was a disgruntled faculty member who didn’t get tenured after several appeals and a law suit. About 30min into the meeting, she got up suddenly, took out a gun and started shooting at each one of us. She started with the one closest to her and went down the row shooting her targets in the head. Our chairman got it the worst as he was right next to her along with two others who died almost instantly. Six people sitting in the rows perpendicular were all shot fatally or seriously wounded. The remaining 5 including myself were on the other side of the table immediately dropped to the floor. During a reload, the shooter was rushed, and we pushed her out the hall way and closed the door. Thereafter we barricaded the door and called 911. At the time, I saw 2 dead bodies already and several wounded. Blood was everywhere with crying and moaning. I was on the phone with 911 reporting what had happened and while waiting we tried to stop the bleeding of those who we thought were still alive. In about 5 min, the campus and city police, ambulance and a SWAT team arrived. We were in a pool of blood in disbelief of what had happened.

There were 5 of us who got out relatively unscathed – I was one of them. Over the weekend, we were at the hospital looking after the 3 wounded and the family of the deceased. It is hard to have this image out of my mind and I have mixed feelings of guilt and relief that I am alive or unharmed. Now half of faculty is out of commission and we are wondering what to do. This week, the University is closed. We will attend a bunch of memorial services and funerals in the next two weeks and try to rebuild a department in the months ahead.

Hopefully we will talk more later.

Take care, Joe
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This was an unstable individual going postal politics werent involved.
 
PogueMoran said:
Lets go to a letter from an eyewitness:

Former UCI student saw faculty shootings - College Life OC : The Orange County Register



This was an unstable individual going postal politics werent involved.
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I work with a guy like this lady. It is obvious he is unstable and could go postal at any time. His life is a mess, bankruptcy, marital problems, job problems and he has a bad temper. He hates several co workers but I try to pretend I like him and stay on his good side. At least that way when he does come in shooting I shouldn't be the first to go. He is a far right winger and has a sizable gun collection, so who knows?
As far as I can tell there really isn't a whole lot one can do in this situation.
 
TurtleDude said:
I thought being a democrat was a symptom of mental disease
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You like to paint with a broad brush. Conservatives have always needed a group to hate. Liberals=mental disease. There are plenty of groups that they do hate. They are probably all liberals who differ with your opinion.

There would not be any right wing hate mongers in the media if the word "liberal" was banned.
 
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