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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Now how would you know that? The gun shows I have been to, the folks didn't give out there occupations.
    Maybe if you bothered to actually talk to some of them...

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

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    Maybe if you bothered to actually talk to some of them...
    I did talk to a lot of them, but I didn't ask what they did for a living.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    People flip sometimes.Even "responsible gun owners".I just dont trust anyone enough to say they would never shoot anyone.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    All but 6 states allow open carry. You don't see it because most places like schools have bans on guns.

    Wrong again.

    Today in the United States, the laws vary from state to state regarding open carry of handguns.

    The categories are defined as follows:

    Permissive Open Carry States - A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They permit open carry to all non-prohibited citizens without permit or license. Also open carry is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle.

    Licensed Open Carry States - A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They also permit open carry to all non-prohibited citizens once they have been issued a permit or license. Also open carry is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle.

    Anomalous Open Carry States - In these states, open carry is generally lawful, but the state may lack preemption or there may be other significant restrictions.

    Non-Permissive Open Carry States - In these states, open carry is not lawful, or is only lawful under a limited set of circumstances, such as when hunting, or while traveling to/from hunting locations, while on property controlled by the person carrying, or for lawful self-defense.

    Seven states and the District of Columbia fully prohibit the open carry of firearms. Additionally, there are eleven states which permit open carry without requiring the citizen to apply for any permit or license.

    As of August, 2009, four states that currently restrict open carry as a remnant of the post-Civil war Reconstruction era[9] (Texas, South Carolina, Oklahoma and Arkansas) are considering making it again legal.[10][11]

    The right for legal United States citizens to keep and bear arms is protected in the United States Constitution under the Second Amendment.[12]
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry]Open carry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    The sort of situation that you're talking about would only apply to permissive open carry states, of which there are apparently only eleven.

    At any rate, the whole point is ridiculous and has virtually nothing to do with the issue of allowing adult 21+ CCW'ers to carry on campus.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    People flip sometimes.Even "responsible gun owners".I just dont trust anyone enough to say they would never shoot anyone.

    Happy for you, but statistics do not bear out this concern. The portion of persons who own guns lawfully, and commit murders, is a tiny fraction of a percent. The percentage of people who commit vehicular homicide is much higher... maybe we should ban cars instead.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Now how would you know that? The gun shows I have been to, the folks didn't give out their occupations.
    when you are working with a well known dealer and are a well known competitive shooter who also had instructed hundreds of shooters you tend to be well known and people talk to you. I also am an attorney who was involved in that area of law so I know lots of the agents etc



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I used to work gunshows. Most regular ones are full of cops, ATF agents, DEA guys etc. often on their own time. Half the people there were vets.

    sure there are a few losers there-ever been to a chess tournament? or a meeting of the Brady conspiracy to ban handguns?
    Ok,, you were pushing just a tad there with chess tournaments. I can't let that slide by.



    But I understand your point too as there are responsible gun owners. Many in my family are gun owners and all have been very serious about respecting that firearm. But you also know, maybe depending on what region you are in, you are going to get that fringe element. Up here they seem to come by the busload. The gunshows often attempt to put on respectable shows but the fringe elements tend to dampen it.

    It is like the tv ads for those cash checking/ payday loan stores with people in ties and neatly groomed lined up as customers. Then you drive by one of those stores and see the real customers.
    Sometimes you got to laugh outloud in this world to save your sanity.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    People flip sometimes.Even "responsible gun owners".I just dont trust anyone enough to say they would never shoot anyone.
    Neither do we, which is why we arm ourselves.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Wrong again.


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    So all but seven have open carry laws. I said six.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we have had several mass shootings at universities where an active killer was able to kill many unchallenged.

    That alone cuts against your position
    Not in the least. You fail to recognize the potential for far more shootings with the presence of more guns in the hands of impulsive teens and barely older than teens who's brains haven't developed enough to control this impulsivity.

    the leading expert on how to deal with active shooters is John Benner of Tactical Defense Institute of West Union Ohio. He disagrees with your premise. I tend to trust someone who is a professional in this field going back to being an MP in Nam to being captain of the county swat team for two decades.
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