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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You don't have to buy them. They are legitimate research that is credible and valid. Just because you don't like them doesn't make them invalid.



    So, we combine the research with some of the cultural changes that I explained, and we have the explanation for the problem and the reason to not allow guns on school campuses.
    we have had several mass shootings at universities where an active killer was able to kill many unchallenged.

    That alone cuts against your position

    the leading expert on how to deal with active shooters is John Benner of Tactical Defense Institute of West Union Ohio. He disagrees with your premise. I tend to trust someone who is a professional in this field going back to being an MP in Nam to being captain of the county swat team for two decades.



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Though armed security guards in such cases are usually seconds away.
    You'd be surprised how many security guards aren't allow to have weapons or loaded ones.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You'd be surprised how many security guards aren't allow to have weapons or loaded ones.
    true

    BTW the average large city cop cannot shoot worth a damn either



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    That is true because to get a CCW you can't be convicted of a crime. However I do know a couple of CCW holders that are paranoid bordering on psychotic. If conceal carry was permitted on campus it could become a fad and less desirables would start packing.

    The two I know are not paranoid or psychotic, but they do suffer from an inferiority complex.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am against making schools gun free zones where active shooters can kill and kill and kill

    My nephew was in Iraq carrying a machine gun at age 21 in Iraq, seems to me that is a bit more stressful than majoring in history at Ohio state and he never wigged out and went postal
    But there have been quite a few suicides in Iraq by military members.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post

    Maybe it is my bias but have you ever been to a gun show and seen some of the characters? I don't know if I feel safe if they have a gun hidden on them or not. Of course I am up here by North Idaho and there is fringe group of militants with an IQ of a butter dish.
    Ditto! I was at my first one and last one a few years ago. I never saw so many kooks in my life, complete in combat paint and combat fatigues. Someone stole a gun off the counter while I was there. I wish half of those military wannabes would at least serve their country, but if they are anything like one of them I worked with, he was afraid to shoot to shoot at anything that shoots back. So he never signed up but plays pretend.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    But there have been quite a few suicides in Iraq by military members.
    I don't worry about a suicide. Japan has far more suicides than we do and they ban guns. I prefer someone to shoot themselves rather than say driving the wrong way on a highway or jumping out of a building under which I might be walking



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Ditto! I was at my first one and last one a few years ago. I never saw so many kooks in my life, complete in combat paint and combat fatigues. Someone stole a gun off the counter while I was there. I wish half of those military wannabes would at least serve their country, but if they are anything like one of them I worked with, he was afraid to shoot to shoot at anything that shoots back. So he never signed up but plays pretend.
    I used to work gunshows. Most regular ones are full of cops, ATF agents, DEA guys etc. often on their own time. Half the people there were vets.

    sure there are a few losers there-ever been to a chess tournament? or a meeting of the Brady conspiracy to ban handguns?



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I used to work gunshows. Most regular ones are full of cops, ATF agents, DEA guys etc. often on their own time. Half the people there were vets.
    Now how would you know that? The gun shows I have been to, the folks didn't give out their occupations.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I used to work gunshows. Most regular ones are full of cops, ATF agents, DEA guys etc. often on their own time. Half the people there were vets.

    sure there are a few losers there-ever been to a chess tournament? or a meeting of the Brady conspiracy to ban handguns?

    You have an excellent point. In any sufficiently large group there are always a few losers or wingnuts. They also tend to draw your attention and stick in your memory.

    No one ever says "I went to a gun show, and I remember seeing this nicely dressed middle-aged man with a pleasant voice selling antique rifles..." No, it is typically the few extremes we remember and comment on.

    Pointing to the certain-percentage of wingnuts in any group and tarring the whole with them is poor debate.

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