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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hi Cap.

    Is that an admission that most people these days are, generally, "bad people" to a far greater degree or commonality than was the case in, say, the 1950's or 60's?

    What is "a different time" really, than an assertion that people in general were different? What did a majority of people have back then, that so many today lack?

    It certainly wasn't material things. There was lots of poverty in the 50's.
    It certainly wasn't people not having opportunities and things to do. Back in the 50's, race and sex were more likely to limit one's opportunities than today, and as for diversions many small towns had a malt shop and a movie theater and that was it.
    Hardly anybody saw a shrink in the 1950's. Most people didn't lock their doors, even though they might live a few miles from a street where the houses were shacks and the poor folks that lived there had to butcher their own chickens if they wanted meat to eat.

    Not material things or cultural sophistication then.

    What was it they had, then, that we lack, now... that guns were more commonplace but things like this rarely ever happened?

    I have my own ideas but I'm curious what you think.
    From my observation, in today's world we have less of a sense of morality, less of a sense of altruism, more of a sense of entitlement and impulsivity, and more of a sense of selfishness. Combine these things together and you see a lot more senseless acting out.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah young men were treated like young men and trusted to act like men. An 18 year old who might have to fight the nazis with tanks, flamethrowers, heavy machine guns and fighter planes was probably able to be trusted with a 45 pistol

    of course back then you could buy a gun by mail at age 15
    Trust is a good point. Then, you knew who your neighbors were, you knew the folks in your town. There was less suspicion and paranoia about those around you. Technology may have brought us closer, but it has also made us less connected.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    If they can get a concealed license what is the problem
    People at that age have a far less capacity to control their impulses and have a far greater potential to act out on their emotions before thinking. This is a biological situation based on the limbic system and brain structure development. It usually resolves itself by the age of 23 or so, but in a highly stressful environment such as school, both academically and socially, potential problems are far greater. I am completely against guns being allowed on any school campus because of the biological/brain structure issue.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    People at that age have a far less capacity to control their impulses and have a far greater potential to act out on their emotions before thinking. This is a biological situation based on the limbic system and brain structure development. It usually resolves itself by the age of 23 or so, but in a highly stressful environment such as school, both academically and socially, potential problems are far greater. I am completely against guns being allowed on any school campus because of the biological/brain structure issue.
    I am against making schools gun free zones where active shooters can kill and kill and kill

    My nephew was in Iraq carrying a machine gun at age 21 in Iraq, seems to me that is a bit more stressful than majoring in history at Ohio state and he never wigged out and went postal



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am against making schools gun free zones where active shooters can kill and kill and kill

    My nephew was in Iraq carrying a machine gun at age 21 in Iraq, seems to me that is a bit more stressful than majoring in history at Ohio state and he never wigged out and went postal
    Completely different situation. In Iraq, using the gun is standard for defense on a daily basis because of the likelihood of an attack. This is not the culture on a Ohio State campus.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Completely different situation. In Iraq, using the gun is standard for defense on a daily basis because of the likelihood of an attack. This is not the culture on a Ohio State campus.
    I don't see the point you are trying to make

    I kept my shotgun in my room in college where I was three times all-america. I never even considered shooting anyone



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't see the point you are trying to make

    I kept my shotgun in my room in college where I was three times all-america. I never even considered shooting anyone
    So? That was you, which is anecdotal. Maybe YOUR brain developed more quickly. The average person's brain does not.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So? That was you, which is anecdotal. Maybe YOUR brain developed more quickly. The average person's brain does not.
    I don't buy your claims

    in ohio and almost every other state you can get a CCW at 21. Guns were common on college campuses up to a few decades ago and we didn't have problems.



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't buy your claims
    You don't have to buy them. They are legitimate research that is credible and valid. Just because you don't like them doesn't make them invalid.

    in ohio and almost every other state you can get a CCW at 21. Guns were common on college campuses up to a few decades ago and we didn't have problems.
    So, we combine the research with some of the cultural changes that I explained, and we have the explanation for the problem and the reason to not allow guns on school campuses.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Show me a few cases where someone with a CCW has committed a mass shooting and you might have some point. It hasn't happened. Nor have laws forbidding guns on campus stopped any person determined to commit mass murder, so your point is utterly moot.

    I refer again to the fact, which I posted with sources, that CCW holders are far more law abiding than the general citizenry and that that tiny portion which commit gun crimes is far lower than that of the general citizenry. Statistically you are far safer in the company of 10 CCW permit holders than you are in the company of ten random strangers.


    I can just imagine some criminal, armed to the teeth and intent on committing mass-murder, arriving to find a sign saying "No Guns Allowed", then scuffing his feet and saying "Darn it, I guess I will have to go somewhere else."

    My point stands: statistically there is no reason to believe that allowing adult CCW on campus would increase risks at all, and there is the possibility of saving lives the next time one of these mass-shooters goes off.
    There is a lot of sense to that. Am certain when the teacher started shooting the victims there wished one of them had a gun to pull out. Whether they could have reacted quickly enough is queshionable.

    Maybe it is my bias but have you ever been to a gun show and seen some of the characters? I don't know if I feel safe if they have a gun hidden on them or not. Of course I am up here by North Idaho and there is fringe group of militants with an IQ of a butter dish.

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