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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

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    Wild usa-1 uses "play dumb"!

    It's not very effective!
    Jerry is confused. Jerry hurts himself in his confusion.

    I can make you into a Pokemon too. Not really an effective means of debate.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    So all but seven have open carry laws. I said six.

    Wrong again. Only eleven have fully unrestricted open carry. Seven have no open carry. The other thirty-two have open carry subject to a variety of restrictions, such as "only during hunting season" or "not in the city".

    You have a habit of speaking of things you know little of and have not properly researched. It doesn't reflect well on you.


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    I am all for CCW. But those that claim CCW permit holders are somehow better than those without are ridiculous.
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    So you deny that those murders were committed by CCW permit holders?
    Still attempting to reiterate things that have already been disproven? How disingenuous.

    Not too bright, either.

    Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





    North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.[61]

    Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,500 permits for any reason.[62]


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I just checked the source you linked to. It appears to be a very biased and questionable one.

    For one thing, the Violence Policy Center is strongly biased against private firearms and part of their purpose is to promote gun control legislation.

    Violence Policy Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    The VPC has been criticized for biased or inaccurate studies before:

    Criticism of the VPC

    Hardly makes them objective... indeed they have been criticized by OTHER gun control orgs for some of their positions. Not much of a source.

    For instance, the very first case study was about Micheal MacLendon. I looked up the story mentioned in the case study. In that story, there is no mention of MacLendon having a CCW. In fact, the story says this:

    McLendon had been a Marine briefly but was discharged for falsifying information.
    Officials: Alabama shooter depressed over failures
    If he was dishonorably discharged from the US military, in many states that would bar him from obtaining a CCW.


    A virulently biased gun-control advocacy group whose accuracy, honesty and reasonableness has been widely questioned isn't much of a counter argument.

    EVEN IF the Eleven cases listed on the link to which you provided are all truly about CCW's that killed more than one person (which I doubt the accuracy of for reasons already given), that would still be 11 people out of somewhere around twenty million CCW's in America. That would be 0.000055%... a very very low ratio.

    How many mass murders have there been total, in the USA, in the past twenty years? If you define mass murder as one individual killing three or more people, there may have been hundreds. Below is a partial list of mass killings that is by no means complete. You have a list of 11 people that allegedly committed mass murder and allegedly had CCW's from a clearly biased source... even if we take it at face value there are obviously several dozen non-CCW mass murderers to every one CCW?

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_murderers_and_spree_killers_by_number _of_victims]List of mass murderers and spree killers by number of victims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Again, this goes along with what I was saying, and what statistics prove: CCW holders are on average FAR more law abiding than the general public. They are statistically FAR LESS of a threat to anyone than people among the non-CCW general population. There is NO reason to believe that allowing adults with CCW to carry on campus would increase the risk to anyone.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    It is a two-edged sword.

    Having a CCW could stop a shooter from multi shootings. Having a CCW puts another potential for accidental shooting.

    Are either of those statements false?
    The first statement definitely could have been true at the Universisty of Virginia Tech. I almost wonder if someday we don't see a mass shooting at a water park.Which brings up a question for those with CCW, do you cary it everywhere?

    The second statement reminds me of a recent event in which a guy was at a local Costco using the restroom. He dropped his pants to use the toilet and his gun fell to the ground and shot off a round, fortunately not hitting anybody.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It is a two-edged sword.

    Having a CCW could stop a shooter from multi shootings. Having a CCW puts another potential for accidental shooting.

    Are either of those statements false?
    The first statement definitely could have been true at the Universisty of Virginia Tech. I almost wonder if someday we don't see a mass shooting at a water park.Which brings up a question for those with CCW, do you cary it everywhere?

    The second statement reminds me of a recent event in which a guy was at a local Costco using the restroom. He dropped his pants to use the toilet and his gun fell to the ground and shot off a round, fortunately not hitting anybody.

    There are also many instances of cops having accidental discharges. Not long ago we were treated to a utube video of a cop shooting himself in the leg in front of a bunch of school children. Good thing it was his leg and not some kid's head.

    Back when I was in LE, I knew four cops that had AD's on duty.

    You don't have to search hard to find stories in the news of cops shooting the wrong person, or shooting under dubious circumstances.

    Frankly, to this point, CCW's have a better record than law enforcement. Perhaps we should not allow cops to carry on campus either?

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I almost wonder if someday we don't see a mass shooting at a water park.Which brings up a question for those with CCW, do you cary it everywhere?
    Yes, I carry at the water park.

    If you're extra nice, maybe I'll PM you and explain how.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    From my observation, in today's world we have less of a sense of morality, less of a sense of altruism, more of a sense of entitlement and impulsivity, and more of a sense of selfishness. Combine these things together and you see a lot more senseless acting out.
    I agree with that.....

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    If anybody cares about the OP still, there is lots of new info coming out.

    This woman "accidentally" shot her brother years ago, and was also a suspect in the attempted mail-bombing of a Harvard professor.

    Apparently she's been a wingnut for some time, and there has been evidence of her mopery and dopery, but she kept on getting away with it until this final blowup.

    Maybe we need wingnut control instead of gun control.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This teacher has zero to do with what I was discussing. She was obviously mentally unbalanced and her behavior should have no impact on whether or not someone of her age should be allowed to carry a gun. Hers was an isolated incident that cannot be traced to biology or psychology of the human species. No one in a similar position to her should be restricted from carrying a gun because of her actions.
    So the OP doesn't matter?

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Those gun free zones are really doing the trick. Ain't they?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Maybe Schools need to do background checks.

    Alleged Ala. killer was suspect in attempted bombing of Harvard professor - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe

    The professor who is accused of killing three colleagues at the University of Alabama on Friday was a suspect in the attempted mail bombing of a Harvard Medical School professor in 1993, a law enforcement official said today.


    Amy Bishop and her husband, James Anderson, were questioned after a package containing two bombs was sent to the Newton home of Dr. Paul Rosenberg, a professor and doctor at Boston's Children's Hospital.

    It was the second startling revelation in two days about the past of Bishop, who is accused of fatally shooting three colleagues and wounding three others Friday afternoon at a faculty meeting on the University of Alabama's Huntsville, Ala. campus.

    A Massachusetts police chief revealed Saturday that Bishop had fatally shot her brother in 1986.

    Rosenberg was opening mail, which had been set aside by a cat-sitter, when he returned from a Caribbean vacation on Dec. 19, 1993, according to Globe reports at the time.

    Opening a long, thin package addressed to "Mr. Paul Rosenberg M.D.," he saw wires and a cylinder inside. He and his wife ran from the house and called police.

    The package contained two 6-inch pipe bombs connected to two nine-volt batteries.

    In March 1994, the Globe reported that federal investigators had identified a prime suspect in the case. But the article did not name the suspect.


    A law enforcement official said today that the investigation by the US Postal Service and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms focused on Bishop, a Harvard postdoctoral fellow who was working in the human biochemstry lab at Children's Hospital at the time, and her husband, Anderson.

    Bishop surfaced as a suspect because she was allegedly concerned that she was going to receive a negative evaluation from Rosenberg on her doctorate work, the official said. The official said investigators believed she had a motive to target Rosenberg and were concerned that she had a history of violence, given that she had shot her brother to death in 1986.

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