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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    The VPC-are you serious? LOL

    Josh Sugarmann is perhaps the most dishonest propagandist in the USA. This is the jackass who pushed for the clinton magazine capacity ban and then whined when makers downsized their pistols to be more size specific for 10 round limited magazines

    he is the liar who sent out a paper in 1987 telling the media to deliberately confuse machine guns with semi autos and use movies of people using machine guns when they talked about semi auto bans.

    nothing that comes from that group is worthy of any credibility

    Millions of permit holders and that is the best they can come up with? MOre cops kill people illegally

    and I don't see ANYTHING about age-the ones there were a 31 year old etc
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Do you have a suggestion?
    Remove schools for so-called "gun free" zones...because apparently they aren't "gun-free" anyway...and allow CCW holders to carry on campus.

    More guns = less crime.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The VPC-are you serious? LOL

    Josh Sugarmann is perhaps the most dishonest propagandist in the USA. This is the jackass who pushed for the clinton magazine capacity ban and then whined when makers downsized their pistols to be more size specific for 10 round limited magazines

    he is the liar who sent out a paper in 1987 telling the media to deliberately confuse machine guns with semi autos and use movies of people using machine guns when they talked about semi auto bans.

    nothing that comes from that group is worthy of any credibility

    Millions of permit holders and that is the best they can come up with? MOre cops kill people illegally

    and I don't see ANYTHING about age-the ones there were a 31 year old etc
    So you deny that those murders were committed by CCW permit holders?
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    So you deny that those murders were committed by CCW permit holders?
    Please stop trying to redirect, everyone sees it.

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Please stop trying to redirect, everyone sees it.
    Re-direct what? This is about guns isn't it?
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    So you deny that those murders were committed by CCW permit holders?
    one for every 10,000? LOL

    Here is the bottom line-in many states passing CCW laws was a tough battle. here in Ohio, RINO governor Boob Taft vetoed it and he was overridden. If CCW holders were a problem, i sure haven't heard any efforts to overturn those laws.

    and I hate to clue you in on reality-laws against carry guns legally aren't going to deter people who engage in capital murder



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by usa-1 View Post
    re-direct what? This is about guns isn't it?
    Wild usa-1 uses "play dumb"!

    It's not very effective!

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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    one for every 10,000? LOL

    Here is the bottom line-in many states passing CCW laws was a tough battle. here in Ohio, RINO governor Boob Taft vetoed it and he was overridden. If CCW holders were a problem, i sure haven't heard any efforts to overturn those laws.

    and I hate to clue you in on reality-laws against carry guns legally aren't going to deter people who engage in capital murder
    I am all for CCW. But those that claim CCW permit holders are somehow better than those without are ridiculous.
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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    I am all for CCW. But those that claim CCW permit holders are somehow better than those without are ridiculous.
    1) I never said that

    2) people with CCW permits have undergone background checks in almost every state and again, in most states, training

    3) that means that people with CCW permits are almost always without felony convictions compared to "those without them"



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    Re: 3 Dead in Shooting at University of Alabama Campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL I am laughing at the crap you spew. YOu are making stuff up and you have made major errors. Teenagers being able to get CCW licenses pretty much branded you as uncredible in this discussion. And Having been involved in DOZENS of major felony cases I have never heard someone successfully float the BS you spew as mitigation for a 21 year old being excused for murder robbery, felonious assault or drug dealing.

    If your nonsense had a basis in fact we would see 21 year old CCW holders having higher rates of malfeasance than thirty year olds. Guess what-NO EVIDENCE EXISTS TO SUPPORT THAT Supposition.

    BTW are you a PhD in psychology or are you just parroting studies you read someplace?
    You're making me laugh at how narrow your understanding of this issue is. Firstly, you do understand that if a drunk driver kills someone, they being drunk does not mitigate that they killed someone. So, regardless of the research, if someone, 21, killed someone with a gun, they would still be responsible. So, that little monologue of yours has been successfully rendered irrelevant. Secondly, with modern technology, the research confirming what we already know about teens/young adults is fairly new, but it demonstrates that this age group is more impulsive and less able to manage their emotions rationally because of biological reasons. Thirdly, one must also look at societal situations. Being on a college campus, a stressful environment, is quite different both socially and culturally when COMBINED with these developmental issues then other scenarios. Also, your statistics of 21 year olds vs. 30 year olds is skewed by the fact that far fewer 21 year olds own guns then 30 year olds.

    And yes, I am licensed as a psychotherapist and have been for 20 years. I give talks/lectures on the topic of the adolescent brain and have read a bit of research on it. I would have thought that someone who claims to have your education would have been aware of it.
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