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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am obnoxious, and I don't use the term. What exactly does that mean?

    Can some one explain to me why this is even a story? A fictional work portrays a fictional situation based somewhat on real events. This is unusual how?
    See the link I just posted. It's an interview with the real sign at a real 'tea party' that inspired the sign in the comic.
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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Ah, so your only example is from Fox News, a month or so after the term started being used, that seems to be using it specifically in a mocking way of those that used it through the context of the story starting with things like:



    Seems to be ridiculing and riffing off the fact that people started labeling them, in an attempt to belittle the movement, as "Tea baggers".

    Well done, you truly showed me.

    Well you didn't do enough 'research' the link I posted proves that the tea party coined the term themselves.
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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Terrorists. Anarchists who bombed the stock market. The Seattle and Oregon anarchists who smashed windows, although ending up getting billy-clubbed and gassed, as it were.

    Libertarianism is maximizing man's freedom. This can only occur at the cost of centralized power. Radical Democracy has already eaten the Libertarian movement for dinner, and it is no longer alive as an idea for the betterment of humanity, but for the changing of the guard in Washington.
    Hello?

    Why are you making the all-too typical mistake of confusing libertarianism with anarchy and anarchists?

    Libertarians have ALWAYS recognized the essential role government plays in protecting freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    It's funny how the poster-boy for the Libertarian movement is a long-time Washington suit. Ron Paul is an extremely intelligent man, with good morals and even better politics, so he knows that the only legitimate way for him to make any difference is to become part of the authority machine; if you cannot beat them join them.
    Ron Paul refuses to understand the proper uses of physical force in a free society. Hence his libertarianism is tainted with pacificism.

    [quote=Arch Enemy;1058564056]The original Boston Tea Party makes this current movement look nothing more than a bunch of frustrated citizens taking the pebbles that the King would give them.[/qoute]

    Yeah, the original patriots were protesting a tax equalling less then 1% and the government imposition of power on a free people.

    Today's Tea Party people are protesting taxes exceeding 50%, and things like the Messiah's plan to make it a crime to not have health insurance.

    Shouldn't they be frustrated when they're supposed representatives they send to Washington flatly refuse to serve the interests of the people they represent?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    This ideal that you can keep the ideological benefits of the BTP and Libertarianism, while still commercializing the movement to haggle for Government authority is absolutely abhorrent and contradictory to history.
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    Whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Of those two critiques, the commercializing of the Founding Fathers disgusts me. Rational reactionary rhetoric should grant the Founding Fathers the respect to be dead in peace, but no progeny has dug them up and hoisted them onto a political banner as if they were puppets.
    You mean, because your side is so busy destroying the nation the Founding Fathers founded, you don't want to hear about them.

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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    In fact the link to the truth of the term tea bag in association with the tea party is so good I've made it my signature.
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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    Heads up---many of you should have stuck with "Archie"--just sayin
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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    Here's the Tea Party sign in real life taken on Feb. 27th 2009

    http://washingtonindependent.com/318...ican-tea-party
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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    I don't understand what they are apologizing for. Did anyone actually pay attention to the story? CA and the Falcon were investigating a group of white supremacists. They believe that some members of this group are in attendance at this protests and are there to sniff them out.

    There was no implication that everyone at an anti-tax rally was part of this group. CA even said "this whole 'hate the government' vibe isn't limited to the Watchdogs," implying that the Watchdogs weren't the only ones at this rally.

    Why are people so offended that there might be some bad guys hanging out at the protest?

    If CA and the Falcon were investigating a bunch of Militant anarchists that they suspected were at a theatre, would Marvel have to issue an apology to all the offended thespians?

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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    [quote=Scarecrow Akhbar;1058564168]Hello?

    Why are you making the all-too typical mistake of confusing libertarianism with anarchy and anarchists?

    Libertarians have ALWAYS recognized the essential role government plays in protecting freedom.



    Ron Paul refuses to understand the proper uses of physical force in a free society. Hence his libertarianism is tainted with pacificism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The original Boston Tea Party makes this current movement look nothing more than a bunch of frustrated citizens taking the pebbles that the King would give them.[/qoute]

    Yeah, the original patriots were protesting a tax equalling less then 1% and the government imposition of power on a free people.

    Today's Tea Party people are protesting taxes exceeding 50%, and things like the Messiah's plan to make it a crime to not have health insurance.

    Shouldn't they be frustrated when they're supposed representatives they send to Washington flatly refuse to serve the interests of the people they represent?



    ?

    Whatever.



    You mean, because your side is so busy destroying the nation the Founding Fathers founded, you don't want to hear about them.
    Lets talk about this then shall we.

    Your first error is your playful imagination. You somehow suggest that the realistic expectations of Anarchism is what the authors like Goldstein and Bakunin depict as the revolution of the middle, lower, and pragmatic rich classes in dethroning the current regime. These authors, many of who write extensively of the French revolution, fail to comprehend that once an authority figure is dethroned the power that dethrones becomes the power that rules.
    This is essentially a big problem in the ideals of Anarchism because the result obliterates the theory behind the action.
    The realistic depiction of Anarchism is not toward a state of anarchy, as evidence suggests that disorder actually causes order.

    Anarchism, then, is best described (by more contemporary thinkers) as an ideologue that gives creed to the constant, fundamental, change of authority through the means of power.

    Libertarians and the founding thinkers (Locke, JJR, etc.) suggest that because the state has authority from the will of the consent that the people have the power to dethrone despots. Note that the people are given the power to dethrone the Prince thru power given by natural circumstances.

    The problem with this Neo-Libertarianism is that it suggests that call for the change of authority must come from the changing of the superficial aspects of authority and not at the structure that is holding it up.

    I am not arguing that the tea party and neo-libertarian movements are beneficiaries of anarchism, because I am arguing the opposite that the neo-libertarian movements are a modified version of the status quo.

    These movements are doing less restructuring of the government interference in the lives of citizens and more filling out the "Feedback" forms for it. No matter how much you try to apply the Founding Father's beliefs to your movements you do not compare because you are not applying power (which in classical libertarian terms would be discursive) to authority. You are becoming absorbed by it. Someone is going to run for office with "Libertarian, <3 Founding Fathers, Small Government" tattooed on his ass and you are going to vote for him with the expectations that reforming the Government starts from the pedestal of the Presidency and congress.
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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    This is essentially a big problem in the ideals of Anarchism because the result obliterates the theory behind the action.
    The realistic depiction of Anarchism is not toward a state of anarchy, as evidence suggests that disorder actually causes order.
    Yeah, and the problem with washing dishes is that evidence suggests that if the dishes are clean, people will eat off of them. The end result of washing dishes is more dirty dishes to clean.

    When folk try to control you, you fight them. When you win, someone else will take their place and try to control you. So you fight them too. It makes sense to me.

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    Re: Marvel Comics' depiction of anti-tax protesters inspires anger, apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    And here's more for Zyphlin and Reverand Hellhound;

    Countdown with Keith Olbermann Countdown with Keith Olbermann

    Looks like the Tea partiers themselves are the ones to blame....

    You can comence with calling Olbermann a liberal but the picture in the interview says it all. Sorry.
    Not sure why you're lumping me in there. Where in the world did I say that the signs in the Marvel comic weren't accurate to what was being put up.

    Furthermore, where have I said people in the movement haven't been saying "Tea Bag the Libs" or "Tea Bag the Congress" or whatever else.

    I've simply stated I've seen absolutely no evidence of any large group, or significant individual within the tea party movement, refer to themselves as "Tea Baggers" save when doing it to use irony at liberals using the term to define TEA PARTY members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    Well you didn't do enough 'research' the link I posted proves that the tea party coined the term themselves.
    Your link proved nothing but Cavuto writing a piece thick with irony and snarkyness aimed at the fact liberals call TEA PARTY members "Tea Baggers"

    The only evidence so far anyones provided anytime I've asked it is people on the right using it in a mockingly ironic way (Such as Cavuto laughing at people calling them "Tea Baggers" and suggesting their silly while the tea parties actually succeed) or people on the left calling them "Tea Baggers" because they've stated they need to "Tea Bag" someone, which came about because they sent TEA BAGS to the whiteh ouse.

    Your link proved jack.

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