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Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

well, no matter how you figure, THIS AINT IT

Of course not, as his fiscal stimulus was far too puny.

you're gonna PULL the stimulus after you see "significant job creation?"

like 8.9%?

Try not to get confused. Monetary policy operating at the zero bound is very much stimulus.

obama promised we'd never top 8

Well, as mentioned above, his so called stimulus package was weak! We needed at least double that and more so into infrastructure, education, health care, etc....

you blame 300,000 foreclosures per month for 11 months on realtytrac?

LOL!

Of course not. The fact that they claim it is going to get worse seems to me, rather convenient.

tarp and chrysler and the stimulus (which obama can't call a stimulus anymore) worked so well, heaven knows how far under we'd be without em?

Yes.... Who knows?

but the BIG question---how could our economy have collapsed so despite the decades in place of all those keynesian macro stabilizers?

You mean without extensions of unemployment insurance, TARP, AIG, Fannie and Freddy bailouts? Most definitely.
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You are going to have to work on your clarity as i am having to constantly assume your point, or what it pertains to. Care to answer my question yet? Why are the markets all too willing to purchase debt given the dire circumstance you keep spewing?
 
Do you mean actual which is 17% or Obama's cooked book figure of 9.7%

Shouldn't you statement say below 8% which is what Obama said he would not go over?

Did U6 (the number you seem all to happy to site) not fall in accordance as well?
 
nonsense, doctor

if those coherent macro stabilization policies actually worked, we wouldn't be HERE
 
nonsense, doctor

if those coherent macro stabilization policies actually worked, we wouldn't be HERE

I'm not here to play your game of antics. I have asked you repeatedly.....

Why are the markets all so willing to purchase government debt? Are you truly saying the markets are wrong? How can this be?

What is it you know that they do not? :lamo
 
why did the economy collapse despite the presence of decades of coherent macro stabilizers?

why did it not only collapse, but collapse SO VERY, VERY FAR?
 
why did the economy collapse despite the presence of decades of coherent macro stabilizers?

why did it not only collapse, but collapse SO VERY, VERY FAR?

From 1998-2008, the US financial system issued/created/sold etc... around $20 trillion worth of debt, and much of it was stamped AAA.

We can site the removal of the Glass Steagall, real estate bubbles, investors not paying attention to Tobins Q, etc.....

The bottom line: a perfect storm arose and guess what. We are all still here, and the parking lot @ Applebee's is always full on a Friday night (unless you are in Detroit). So say what you want about macro stabilizers, the fact of the matter remains.....

Doing nothing would have been worse. How much worse? Think 1930's worse.
 
Doing nothing would have been worse. How much worse? Think 1930's worse.
You'll now go on for pages and pages and pages trying to avoid having to prove this is true.
 
You'll now go on for pages and pages and pages trying to avoid having to prove this is true.

When monetary velocity falls dramatically, and foreign entities begin pouring trillions into US treasuries, it is safe to assume that collapse is eminent. Unless of course something is done.
 
When monetary velocity falls dramatically, and foreign entities begin pouring trillions into US treasuries, it is safe to assume that collapse is eminent. Unless of course something is done.
There's post #1 to that effect.
 
The question no "so called" conservative will answer: Why is demand for US treasuries still considerably high? (bid to cover is over 2.25).

If all this debt is unsustainable, why do banks and foreign entities continue to gobble it up?
 
The question no "so called" conservative will answer: Why is demand for US treasuries still considerably high? (bid to cover is over 2.25).

If all this debt is unsustainable, why do banks and foreign entities continue to gobble it up?
Right on cue, post number 2....
 
From 1998-2008, the US financial system issued/created/sold etc... around $20 trillion worth of debt, and much of it was stamped AAA.

We can site the removal of the Glass Steagall, real estate bubbles, investors not paying attention to Tobins Q, etc.....

The bottom line: a perfect storm arose and guess what. We are all still here, and the parking lot @ Applebee's is always full on a Friday night (unless you are in Detroit). So say what you want about macro stabilizers, the fact of the matter remains.....

Doing nothing would have been worse. How much worse? Think 1930's worse.


You have proof or is this more useless opinions
 
Right on cue, post number 2....

If you cannot answer the question, then why bother to reply? You are quite close to trolling so it would be best if you left the discussion.
 
What proof we would have been in a depression? This recession is much closer to the Reagan Carter recession than it is to the depression.

The last time the financial system collapsed was????? Hint: not 1980.
 
If you cannot answer the question, then why bother to reply? You are quite close to trolling so it would be best if you left the discussion.
There's post #3...
 
And post #4.
Just as I predicted.

Reaffirming your lack of relevance?

I wonder how long your baiting/trolling will continue until the mods give you a thread ban.

Either man up, and stay on topic or GTFO. :2wave:
 
Reaffirming your lack of relevance?
No... my prediction that you would revert to your usual infantile MO and do everythng you can, for pages and pages, to avoid proving your claim.

You're doing a great job -- don't stop on my account.

(That's post #5, BTW)
 
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