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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Your figures and links are misleading. If you'd like to move your post to the economics thread I'll give you a good thrashing over there. Otherwise, I call bull****.
    Call it anything you want the tax cut for the rich is leftwing propaganda and talking points that is a lie.


    My links give real figures to bad you do not like the truth.

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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And this is exactly why we have a perpetual deficit. Because people freak out ZOMG TAX INCREASE over any suggestion that we cut the deficit. And other people shriek ZOMG ENTITLEMENT CUTS over the same.

    If we're ever going to balance the budget, we're going to need to rein in entitlement spending and increase taxes.
    Why can't we just cut spending?

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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why can't we just cut spending?
    You could if prepared for the consequences

    What is going to happen if welfare or food stamp funding is cut?

    What will happen if medicare/medicaid is cut
    What will happen if military spendingis cut


    We are talking about a minimum of a 25% cut in government spending (not including stimulus.

    That is a lot of people and business that will no longer have revenues or revenues that they are used to

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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    You could if prepared for the consequences

    What is going to happen if welfare or food stamp funding is cut?
    The main consequence would be a reduction in our deficit, as well as the debt.

    The secondary consequence would compel certain Americans to be more prudent and self-reliant than they previously were.

    What will happen if medicare/medicaid is cut
    Same consequences as before; they could be mitigated by other policy changes, though. Namely, a relaxing of regulations on the health care industry.

    What will happen if military spendingis cut
    Other countries will have to defend themselves.

    We are talking about a minimum of a 25% cut in government spending (not including stimulus.

    That is a lot of people and business that will no longer have revenues or revenues that they are used to
    It doesn't have to happen overnight, you know. As long as we are on a sustained path towards paying down the debt and insuring our longterm solvency, things will be fine.

    That will be impossible, though, if people like you can't live with the fact that cutting government spending will force certain people to live a more prudent lifestyle. God forbid!

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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why can't we just cut spending?
    What spending do you recommend cutting to balance the budget? And does the political will exist to make those cuts?
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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    ask the party in power

    i'll tell you tho, almost anything THEY do (being them, and all) people like ME are NOT going to like

    politics really is so unfair, i say sincerely

    opposition is so easy, leadership is so hard

    you guys figure it out

    meanwhile, i'll speak for millions of conservatives in advance:

    "NO!"

    party on, progressives

    leadership's a bitch

    grow up, deal with it

    you never should have made a bid for it if you can't handle it

    obama is the biggest baby at the national level i've ever seen, always whining, always making excuses

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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ask the party in power
    Well that's my point. Why do the voters keep electing politicians (of both parties) who don't cut spending? At least occasionally, they elect politicians who raise taxes...but they NEVER elect politicians who cut spending. I think that gives a pretty good indication of their priorities.

    If the voters flat-out don't WANT spending cuts, then it's only logical that we at least pay for the programs. I'm all for reining in entitlement spending by controlling the costs, but it isn't easy to do. Unfortunately, in this case the main obstacle is the voters themselves, not the politicians they happened to elect.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof
    you guys figure it out
    That's the spirit.
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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I am not at all surprised at this response -- your faux concerns, designed only to misdirect the conversation away from The Obama's reversals of claims and statements and promised are well documented.

    He's reneging on yet another campaign promise, and you give Him a pass.
    Campaign promises are irrelevant. You can't make the American people happy anyway. You might as well just do what seems to be effective.
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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well that's my point. Why do the voters keep electing politicians (of both parties) who don't cut spending? At least occasionally, they elect politicians who raise taxes...but they NEVER elect politicians who cut spending. I think that gives a pretty good indication of their priorities.

    If the voters flat-out don't WANT spending cuts, then it's only logical that we at least pay for the programs. I'm all for reining in entitlement spending by controlling the costs, but it isn't easy to do. Unfortunately, in this case the main obstacle is the voters themselves, not the politicians they happened to elect.



    That's the spirit.
    cuz they don't want tax hikes even more

    president obama, fix the economy or get out of the white house

    and hurry up, you're a year behind

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    Re: Obama ‘Agnostic’ on Deficit Cuts, Won’t Prejudge Tax Increases

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think that gives a pretty good indication of their priorities.

    If the voters flat-out don't WANT spending cuts, then it's only logical that we at least pay for the programs. I'm all for reining in entitlement spending by controlling the costs, but it isn't easy to do. Unfortunately, in this case the main obstacle is the voters themselves, not the politicians they happened to elect.
    That's not true.

    The problem is not with voters:


    It is with politicians:
    Concerned about the size of Uncle Sam’s budget deficit, you say that “It’s time for an adult conversation about federal taxes and spending” (“Obama’s big fiscal deficits reflect bipartisan failures,” Feb. 2). Yes. But no such conversation will take place where it matters most: in Washington.

    Adults’ conversations about financial matters are mature and responsible because adults typically earn and spend their own money. Children’s conversations about financial matters are childish and irresponsible largely because children live off of wealth earned by adults. “Buy me this toy!” “Get me that dress!” “Take me to DisneyWorld!” – children too frequently issue selfish demands such as these precisely because children have little to lose by doing so. If these demands are met, other people foot the bills.

    Politicians’ and interest-groups’ conversations about taxes and spending are childish for the very same reason: the money they spend belongs to other people.
    Adults Are Responsible

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