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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Okay lefties, what say you now? Is it still wrong?
    It seems like this is just confirming pre-existing policy. What do you expect from statist government? Whether it's R or D makes no difference. The brilliance of a two party system is that you can always attack the policies of the previous administration while simultaneously using them.

    Also, most people don't know it, but most cell phones made in the past 7-8 years can have their microphones activated remotely. I learned about this in China. When we used to honestly talk about the Communists and the politics of China, we would take our batteries out of the phones (the only way to truly disable it). I comforted myself with the knowledge that it was just in China, but when I got home I found out that the same mechanism exists here.

    We really have no knowledge of the true extent to which we may be monitored. If the warrantless factor is supported, then it will enable government to do any number of other things in secret.

    This must be fought.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Hm. After reading the entire article, it doesn't seem to me like anything is being done by the government that it is illegal for private citizens to do. You cannot expect privacy when you're in public.

    This is the best they could come up with:
    Lenihan's opinion (PDF)--which, in an unusual show of solidarity, was signed by four other magistrate judges--noted that location information can reveal sensitive information such as health treatments, financial difficulties, marital counseling, and extra-marital affairs.
    And yet there's nothing to stop people from just following your car to see where you're going. There's no law against finding out "sensitive information".

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    After reading through this some more I am going to clarify my stance.

    As for the article of the OP. I believe the government has the right to subpoena any company that provides a opt-in service to a specific civilian to gather information for a criminal investigation. If Verizon has log of my calls and those calls are linked to GPS coordinates then the government will have access to that. If I have chosen to sign up for Google Latitude and investigators subpoena Google for my tracking history then they can do that too. As part of the contracts of signing up for these opt-in services you are forced to agree to terms where the company must comply with criminal investigations.

    What I am against is the government tracking someone NOT involved in an investigation without their permission for the purpose of trend reporting or evidence for possible future use if that person being tracked happens to break the law sometime in their life.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Bush, is that you?

    I swear that sounds alot like Bush's way of thinking - and remember how much everyone hated him for that?
    Yes and I also remember republicans calling Obama the most liberal senator in the senate when he was running for president.

    Partisanship is a beautiful thing isn't it?

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Lesson learned: don't carry a cellphone while commiting a crime...

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    This doesn't make the government larger and more totalitarian. It makes it more efficient and less bureaucratic by not having to go through endless precautions to get something as trivial as information of where someone happened to be standing when they made a phone call and possibly end up not getting that information at all and making it harder to catch criminals.
    Or it can help you track your political opponents where abouts for reasons that not be openly stated.

    They have no reason to track people who are not already suspected of committing crimes, if they are a suspect they can go to a judge and offer up probable cause.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Yes and I also remember republicans calling Obama the most liberal senator in the senate when he was running for president.

    Partisanship is a beautiful thing isn't it?

    At least Bush had legitimate reasons to do what he did.

    Obama's just having a senseless party - he's not taking this seriously and I personally feel he doesn't give a flying ****.
    At least Bush was affected by his decisions - Obama's quite happy to make jokes about it all.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    It seems like this is just confirming pre-existing policy. What do you expect from statist government? Whether it's R or D makes no difference. The brilliance of a two party system is that you can always attack the policies of the previous administration while simultaneously using them.

    Also, most people don't know it, but most cell phones made in the past 7-8 years can have their microphones activated remotely. I learned about this in China. When we used to honestly talk about the Communists and the politics of China, we would take our batteries out of the phones (the only way to truly disable it). I comforted myself with the knowledge that it was just in China, but when I got home I found out that the same mechanism exists here.

    We really have no knowledge of the true extent to which we may be monitored. If the warrantless factor is supported, then it will enable government to do any number of other things in secret.

    This must be fought.
    You will never know you're being monitored, warrant or not.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You will never know you're being monitored, warrant or not.
    Well, I'm not doing anything wrong, so what would I be worried about?

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post

    At least Bush had legitimate reasons to do what he did.

    Obama's just having a senseless party - he's not taking this seriously and I personally feel he doesn't give a flying ****.
    At least Bush was affected by his decisions - Obama's quite happy to make jokes about it all.
    I could say the same thing about Bush.

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