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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

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    You have got to be kidding.
    Actually moderates are.
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    Actually moderates are.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Any true liberal will be against this. It violates our constitutional right to privacy, like the patriot act.
    Yet Obama is able to do warrantless wire taps.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/wa...fisa.html?_r=1

    In a rare public ruling, a secret federal appeals court has said telecommunications companies must cooperate with the government to intercept international phone calls and e-mail of American citizens suspected of being spies or terrorists.

    The ruling came in a case involving an unidentified company’s challenge to 2007 legislation that expanded the president’s legal power to conduct wiretapping without warrants for intelligence purposes.

    But the ruling, handed down in August 2008 by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review and made public Thursday, did not directly address whether President Bush was within his constitutional powers in ordering domestic wiretapping without warrants, without first getting Congressional approval, after the terrorist attacks of 2001.

    Several legal experts cautioned that the ruling had limited application, since it dealt narrowly with the carrying out of a law that had been superseded by new legislation. But the ruling is still the first by an appeals court that says the Fourth Amendment’s requirement for warrants does not apply to the foreign collection of intelligence involving Americans. That finding could have broad implications for United States national security law.

    The court ruled that eavesdropping on Americans believed to be agents of a foreign power “possesses characteristics that qualify it for such an exception.”

    Bruce M. Selya, the chief judge of the review court, wrote in the opinion that “our decision recognizes that where the government has instituted several layers of serviceable safeguards to protect individuals against unwarranted harms and to minimize incidental intrusions, its efforts to protect national security should not be frustrated by the courts.”

    The three-judge court, which hears rare appeals from the full Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, addressed provisions of the Protect America Act, passed by Congress in 2007 amid the controversy over Mr. Bush’s program of wiretapping without warrants. It found that the administration had put in place sufficient privacy safeguards to meet the constitutional standards of the Fourth Amendment’s ban on unreasonable searches. Because of that, the company had to cooperate, the court said.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    It was wrong when the Bush administration started doing this. It's wrong now.

    Let me guess: You assumed that liberals would try to justify this on some twisted manner because we accept everything Obama does because he is our "savior?"
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It was wrong when the Bush administration started doing this. It's wrong now.

    Let me guess: You assumed that liberals would try to justify this on some twisted manner because we accept everything Obama does because he is our "savior?"
    When this happened the silence from the left was deafening and it still is.

    When it was brought under Bush what outrage shows the double standard.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    When this happened the silence from the left was deafening and it still is.

    When it was brought under Bush what outrage shows the double standard.
    tracking cell phone whereabouts and warrantless wiretapping are 2 different things. that said, i don't think cell phone tracking is a good idea.

    it seems that many in this thread agree with me, liberals even.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    When this happened the silence from the left was deafening and it still is.

    When it was brought under Bush what outrage shows the double standard.
    Where was the conservative outrage about increasing spending and expanding government during the Bush administration?
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    tracking cell phone whereabouts and warrantless wiretapping are 2 different things.
    How are they different???

    In one case they are listening in on phone calls. In the other they are tracking your movements. Each is an invasion by the government to privacy. Each should not be available without a warrant.

    Any time the government wants to get into my business, they know where my home is. They don't need to know my whereabouts 24/7 without reasonable cause.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    How are they different???

    In one case they are listening in on phone calls. In the other they are tracking your movements. Each is an invasion by the government to privacy. Each should not be available without a warrant.

    Any time the government wants to get into my business, they know where my home is. They don't need to know my whereabouts 24/7 without reasonable cause.
    though i believe they are different, i also believe neither should be allowed.

    the tracking doesn't involve knowing YOUR whereabouts, necessarily, it involves detecting a pattern.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    though i believe they are different, i also believe neither should be allowed.

    the tracking doesn't involve knowing YOUR whereabouts, necessarily, it involves detecting a pattern.
    They don't need to know my patterns or anyone else's without probable cause.

    They can also get your exact location from a working cell phone. Don't you watch "NCIS?"
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