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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Keep in mind this is about tracking based on Numerical probability just like a scenario from the TV Show Numb3rs.

    They are not looking at listening to your conversations, but that might come in the form of a warrant after the probability suggests you are now a suspect.

    Everyone should be aware that there are devises available for individuals to scan the frequencies and lock in on your call any time they want.

    I used to have a scanner from Radio Shack that would allow me to listen to all of the cordless phones in every house for almost a mile. It was illegal to do so, and so I never did as far as you know.

    I'm surprised I didn't see the argument that the air waves are controlled and regulated by the Government and therefore thare should be no expectation of privacy.

    I also want to restate for those who might have missed it before. If you text message you can delete your ability to even see a message but it stays in the Phone Company server essentially for ever, and the same is true of all E-mail. So be careful of what you say and to whom you say it, especially if you cheat on you spouse.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Keep in mind this is about tracking based on Numerical probability just like a scenario from the TV Show Numb3rs.

    They are not looking at listening to your conversations, but that might come in the form of a warrant after the probability suggests you are now a suspect.

    Everyone should be aware that there are devises available for individuals to scan the frequencies and lock in on your call any time they want.

    I used to have a scanner from Radio Shack that would allow me to listen to all of the cordless phones in every house for almost a mile. It was illegal to do so, and so I never did as far as you know.

    I'm surprised I didn't see the argument that the air waves are controlled and regulated by the Government and therefore thare should be no expectation of privacy.

    I also want to restate for those who might have missed it before. If you text message you can delete your ability to even see a message but it stays in the Phone Company server essentially for ever, and the same is true of all E-mail. So be careful of what you say and to whom you say it, especially if you cheat on you spouse.
    Ah - no, this is actual data - prospective or retrospective. Prospective is quite accurate and is updated minute-to-minute.

    If it was just based on something such as is numbers (a nerd calculated probabilities) then it wouldn't be permissible in court.

    It's not the government's business where I am. They don't tag their own soldiers - why tag civilians in such a manner or presume it's in their right to do so?

    If I've done something wrong, sure, but otherwise - no.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    On the surface, this is absurd.

    It does make you wonder what might really be going on in the world, how close we could be to another catastrophic terror attack, how much intel they have to something truly gruesome on the horizon, just what they know that we don't.......we just don't know. (There's a reason Obama kept Gates once he found out the truth of all this.)

    But I can't support this fundamentally at all.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ah - no, this is actual data - prospective or retrospective. Prospective is quite accurate and is updated minute-to-minute.

    If it was just based on something such as is numbers (a nerd calculated probabilities) then it wouldn't be permissible in court.

    It's not the government's business where I am. They don't tag their own soldiers - why tag civilians in such a manner or presume it's in their right to do so?

    If I've done something wrong, sure, but otherwise - no.
    Did the story not say they used like numbers used at locations where robberies took place? That makes it a probability study and gives them numbers to track based on the proximity to the banks and relative times.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Any true liberal will be against this. It violates our constitutional right to privacy, like the patriot act.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    I am just waiting for micro chips to be readily available for implant with gift certificates to Wal-mart as incentives.

    Am i worried? Hell no, the technology to track cell phones has been around for quite a long time. However... is this only the beginning? The so called new wave of commerce will allow cellular phones/pda/smart phones to make payments. As information technology advances, there is a major security risk in centralizing individual data streams. I.E.... The DoD didn't even encrypt their drones
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    Meh,two words Wal-mart and trac phones.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Any true liberal will be against this. It violates our constitutional right to privacy, like the patriot act.
    Will those Liberals insist on PBO's resignation, or impeachment? Just wondering.

    BTW, let's not act as if the Liberals are the bright shining light guiding the way for absolute liberty of the American people. Liberals are the same folks that are pushing for the fairness doctrine and abolition of the 2nd Amendment.
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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantom View Post
    Any true liberal will be against this. It violates our constitutional right to privacy, like the patriot act.
    Grrr. Pet Peeve alert.

    Do you hate the Patriot Act, apparently the entire act, because it violates the right of privacy or because some liberal blog in recent years told you its bad and highlighted a few points and so that's all you care about...

    Cause if its the former why are you not equally railing against the FISA legislation along with Title III of the 1968 Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Acts, which both acted as the foundations for what Patriot did and extended in most ways.

    Of course, those are generally ignored by bloggers post Patriot because I mean....they're old, they're not tied to Bush, they're not big buzz words, and if we focus on them people may realize that the vast majority of the Patriot Act was updating 30+ year old legislation into the digital age, and that'd REALLY **** up their rhetoric and muck stirring.

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    In regards to this, I'm not sure how I stand. Is tracking a search and siezure if its done through finding out your cell phones location? Is it illegal for government to check camera records from ATM's and street cams to see if they spot your liscense plate without a warrant? Can they tail and follow you without a warrant? Can they place some kind of tracking or monitoring device on your car without one?

    Honest questions there, I'm not 100% sure about any of them.

    I would lean on yes, there should probably be a warrant to do this, but I would say the burden of proof should be extremely low to get it just for tracking.

    Also it has time working against its favor when compared to the more questionable portions of the Patriot Act. Historically during times of great crisis this country has shown itself, time and time again, willing to let the scale tip to the side of security and from that point it slowly tilts back towards the "freedom" side till the next major crisis.

    In this case, I don't know if there's really a crisis enough that the political will to allow for such a thing will be found understandable in the context of history.

    I think ultimately I would be against this, just as I am for the continued repeal and sunsetting of various Patriot Act provisions.

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    Re: Feds push for tracking cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're not listening in on the actual call. They're only tracking the phone's location. It's not a huge invasion of my privacy if the government knows that I left my house and went to the Piggly Wiggly, then came back home.

    I think you're all blowing this totally out of proportion.
    So the government tracking millions of citizens every movement without their knowledge or consent and having the ability of logging things like what time you wake up, go to the bathroom, eat breakfast, watch TV, go to work, etc. IS NOT a violation of privacy?

    So when are you going to allow the government to install that non-privacy violating camera in your house?
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