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Guards stand by during brutal attack

This highlights your ignorance about law enforcement.

Lets say the police go in blasting, no information on who or what is going on inside. Yea, that would have made things so much better. :roll:

Yeah, not going in saved so many lives, didn't it?

And, naturally, I did not say "go in 'blasting' ", you had to add that because going in armed and armored and carefully evaluating the scene isn't something cops do. After all, the cops are known, like in one incident in Compton, to just blaze away firing maybe a hundred rounds and not once hitting the person they were allegedly shooting at.

I mean, the typical cop is like Tackleberry, when all is said and done, not Mahoney.

I don't even know why I am bothering. It's obvious you really don't know anything about law enforcement. :lol:

I know where the donut shops are.
 
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Probably because it was a young girl. It is an American male thing.

Don't mess with the women folk.
Actually, from reading the OP, it sounds like two young girls fighting. Over whom was the best dressed, apparently. Probably sparked by other issues which had been items of contention between the two before.
 
Yeah, not going in saved so many lives, didn't it?

Clueless armchair quarterbacking means little.

And, naturally, I did not say "go in 'blasting' ", you had to add that because going in armed and armored and carefully evaluating the scene isn't something cops do.

When someone is inside shooting and the police have limited information, going haphazardly into what may well be a hostage situation with possible explosives can only make it worse.

Not to mention a million other things that could have gone wrong.

Of course you are obviously an expert. :mrgreen:

After all, the cops are known, like in one incident in Compton, to just blaze away firing maybe a hundred rounds and not once hitting the person they were allegedly shooting at.

Blanket statements make people look so well informed. :doh

I mean, the typical cop is like Tackleberry, when all is said and done, not Mahoney.

Because real life is just like the movies. :shock:

I know where the donut shops are.

Well according to everything you have said thus far, you need to be there.
 
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Actually, from reading the OP, it sounds like two young girls fighting. Over whom was the best dressed, apparently. Probably sparked by other issues which had been items of contention between the two before.

I know, I have mentioned the fact it was 2 girls 4 or 5 times already.
 
Ill tell you one thing if someone put a gun to one of these pieces of human filth's heads they wouldve quickly backed down like the ******s they are. Beating up a little girl, for God sakes.
 
Ill tell you one thing if someone put a gun to one of these pieces of human filth's heads they wouldve quickly backed down like the ******s they are. Beating up a little girl, for God sakes.

Yea because putting a gun to a 15 year old girls head is brilliant. :roll:

The only two fighting were the two young girls.

Did you even bother to watch the video or read the story?
 
Good Samaritan laws do not apply in cases of assault etc. until afterwords. It is for rendering aid or medical aid in an emergency situation.

Yea have them arrested for doing nothing. That's the American way. :roll:

Why would this not apply? How can a situation be judged?
 
I'm nearly 40, and while I don't have any children of my own, I help financially support my sister, her three kids, and my parents when they require it.

Not only would I feel ****ty about myself if I stood by and did nothing while someone else was hurt (given that I COULD do something about it), I know that they would also lose respect for me as the decent human being they know and love.

Not to mention the fact that none of what you speak of would even remotely cross my mind if I found myself in a situation where someone needed help. Nor HAS it crossed my mind in the past when I did find myself in situations where someone needed help and it involved a risk to myself to help them.

If it looked like there was no way I could help someone without grievous injury to myself, then I would agree with you. But just some risk of a possible injury? Pahlease. As Jallman said, it's people that think like you who enable thugs to do the things that those kids did.

So no, I don't buy the whole "I don't wanna get beat up by a 15 yr old girl because I have mouths to feed" copout. It's just a convenient excuse to act cowardly, IMO. I could never live with myself if I did such a thing.

Of course everyone has the right to make those decisions for themselves, as they should. But I also have the right to look on certain decisions with some amount of disgust.

That's great, good for you. My point, is that before you call me disgusting for my opinion, I would hope that you are able to see things from my perspective. Obviously, you are able to do that.

That being said, I work in an industry where people are permanently injured and even die everyday. I've seen first hand how much money matters when the bread winner of a family suddenly get's his salary cut by 75%, or more.
 
What the hell dude? Did you just call the girl who got beat up a brat? That is seriously why I can't stand conservatives, just because someone is in their teens does not make them brats or stupid. We all were young once.

Sure, we were all young once. I was young and definitely all boy. However, I managed to stay out of jail. I'm not calling them brats because they're teenagers. I'm calling them brats because they're jail birds.
 
Why would this not apply? How can a situation be judged?

Because as I already said good Samaritan laws only cover medical aid AFTER an emergency situation.

"Good Samaritan laws are laws or acts protecting from liability those who choose to aid others who are injured or ill. They are intended to reduce bystanders' hesitation to assist, for fear of being sued or prosecuted for unintentional injury or wrongful death." - [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law]Good Samaritan law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


Any situation can be judged. Either they need medical attention or they don't. AFTER the incident in question.
 
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Back when I was a cop, and when I was OFF DUTY, I'll tell you what standards I used to decide whether to get involved in something that was going on:

Anybody I know? If not, that's one in the minus column...
Felony? If not, I probably won't bother...
Is anyone likely to get killed or critically injured here? If no, that's another one in the minus column...

Bearing in mind that if you lay hands on a minor as an adult, you could be charged with assault on a minor, which is a serious matter. Given the circumstances you might well be cleared, LATER... after spending gazillions in lawyer fees.

What would I have done? Not sure. If I was on-duty, it would depend on my standing orders and SOP's. If off-duty, I would have examined the totality of the circumstances and made a snap judgement. Me being me, I might have stepped in... but on the whole, if there isn't anyone getting killed there are a lot of smart arguments for walking away.

If you do intervene in such a situation, you had better be SURE you intervened on the right side, and you better HOPE there are witnesses who will back you up on that. Otherwise you are in for a bad year and a lot of court appearances, or worse.

I'm not saying don't help people; I'm just saying you have to be very very sure that you know what is going on, and very very sure that it is worth it.
 
If you do intervene in such a situation, you had better be SURE you intervened on the right side, and you better HOPE there are witnesses who will back you up on that. Otherwise you are in for a bad year and a lot of court appearances, or worse.

Kind of like we did in Iraq. Jumping in without a clue, no exit plan, and everybody hating us. Years later we are still in court on that one.
 
Kind of like we did in Iraq. Jumping in without a clue, no exit plan, and everybody hating us. Years later we are still in court on that one.

Take that garbage somewhere else, it has no place in this thread......:naughty
 
Back when I was a cop, and when I was OFF DUTY, I'll tell you what standards I used to decide whether to get involved in something that was going on:

Anybody I know? If not, that's one in the minus column...
Felony? If not, I probably won't bother...
Is anyone likely to get killed or critically injured here? If no, that's another one in the minus column...

Bearing in mind that if you lay hands on a minor as an adult, you could be charged with assault on a minor, which is a serious matter. Given the circumstances you might well be cleared, LATER... after spending gazillions in lawyer fees.

What would I have done? Not sure. If I was on-duty, it would depend on my standing orders and SOP's. If off-duty, I would have examined the totality of the circumstances and made a snap judgement. Me being me, I might have stepped in... but on the whole, if there isn't anyone getting killed there are a lot of smart arguments for walking away.

If you do intervene in such a situation, you had better be SURE you intervened on the right side, and you better HOPE there are witnesses who will back you up on that. Otherwise you are in for a bad year and a lot of court appearances, or worse.

I'm not saying don't help people; I'm just saying you have to be very very sure that you know what is going on, and very very sure that it is worth it.

You have got to be kidding! As a former police officer you would weigh your liability before the potential saving of a life. Well thank God your a former officer.

As a Radio Talk show host under threat of death of years and a former politician with a concealed carry permit my first thought is to save a life then worry about the rest. You should know that you don't have to touch anyone to break up a beating and at least in the State of AZ. the threat of death is justification for use of deadly force, or at least the threat of it.

I have stopped many a fight in my life and have been attacked more than I care to talk about, but when a grown man doesn't know what he would do when confronted with this kind of violence it's no wander the young people are wild in the streets.
 
Take that garbage somewhere else, it has no place in this thread......:naughty

You need to lighten up from your job as hallway monitor.
I knew you would all come running. Just couldn't resist.

The statement that caught my attention was "be very very sure that you know what is going on". And maybe I don't know what previous beefs the two girls had but seeing an unconscious girl being kicked in the face is good enough for me to say Stop and step in.

Ok,, you can continue to bash me for even dare showing the comparison.....
 
You have got to be kidding! As a former police officer you would weigh your liability before the potential saving of a life. Well thank God your a former officer.

As a Radio Talk show host under threat of death of years and a former politician with a concealed carry permit my first thought is to save a life then worry about the rest. You should know that you don't have to touch anyone to break up a beating and at least in the State of AZ. the threat of death is justification for use of deadly force, or at least the threat of it.

I have stopped many a fight in my life and have been attacked more than I care to talk about, but when a grown man doesn't know what he would do when confronted with this kind of violence it's no wander the young people are wild in the streets.

Yea try that in Chicago or New York where no CCL exist. :roll:

It was 2 girls fighting, everyone else stayed out of it. No threat to life or limb.

Nice ad-hom as well.
 
You need to lighten up from your job as hallway monitor.
I knew you would all come running. Just couldn't resist.

The statement that caught my attention was "be very very sure that you know what is going on". And maybe I don't know what previous beefs the two girls had but seeing an unconscious girl being kicked in the face is good enough for me to say Stop and step in.

Ok,, you can continue to bash me for even dare showing the comparison.....

****ing media hype. She was covering her face, she was not "unconscious" and was never kicked in the face. Maybe in her hands covering her face.

Watch the video people, Jesus!
 
You need to lighten up from your job as hallway monitor.I knew you would all come running. Just couldn't resist.

The statement that caught my attention was "be very very sure that you know what is going on". And maybe I don't know what previous beefs the two girls had but seeing an unconscious girl being kicked in the face is good enough for me to say Stop and step in.

Ok,, you can continue to bash me for even dare showing the comparison.....

BS is BS, someone had to say it......:shrug:
 
****ing media hype. She was covering her face, she was not "unconscious" and was never kicked in the face. Maybe in her hands covering her face.
Watch the video people, Jesus!

Ok, I stand corrected. The girl was kicking her hands that was covering her face . Oh well, there couldn't be any real harm there................................................. Did you just write that sober?
 
You have got to be kidding! As a former police officer you would weigh your liability before the potential saving of a life. Well thank God your a former officer.

As a Radio Talk show host under threat of death of years and a former politician with a concealed carry permit my first thought is to save a life then worry about the rest. You should know that you don't have to touch anyone to break up a beating and at least in the State of AZ. the threat of death is justification for use of deadly force, or at least the threat of it.

I have stopped many a fight in my life and have been attacked more than I care to talk about, but when a grown man doesn't know what he would do when confronted with this kind of violence it's no wander the young people are wild in the streets.


Hey bud, you can bite me.

You need to walk a mile in my shoes before you go off on me. Or, you could at least reiterate what I said ACCURATELY. (You didn't.)

Hail did you actually READ my post?

I have saved lives at risk to my own. I have rushed in without backup to do so. I have faced armed thugs for the sake of a stranger's life. Have you?

Then STFU and listen.

I never said I would stand there and let someone get killed and do nothing, as you construed. I said that if I was OFF duty I didn't get involved in minor scrapes. I said that if it DID NOT look like anyone was going to get killed or seriously injured that I might not intervene.

I said you DAMN sure better know what you're getting into before you jump in. Let me give you an example.

You walk past an alley and notice something. Looking down the alley, you see two men fighting. One man pushes the other away and draws a pistol, pointing it at the other man. Thinking you're about to witness a murder, you draw your pistol and point it at the armed man, yelling for him to stop. He sees you pointing a gun at him, and turns his gun towards you. In fear of your life, you shoot him.
What you didn't know: the UNARMED man was attacking the ARMED man, who was a recovering heart patient and drew his own gun because he feared for his life. You just shot a man who was defending himself for the sake of a thug, because you did not have full info about the situation into which you thrust yourself.

Different States use different criteria about coming to the defense of another person. Some use the "Good Sam" criteria, such that if you were in good faith trying to do the right thing with the info you had, you're ok. Other states use the "Alter Ego" rule, where if you come into a fight on Person A's side, coming to their defense, then you have "stepped into their shoes" and if they are in the wrong, YOU are in the wrong regardless of what you knew or didn't know.

Do you even know which rule your state uses?

You need to, if you don't want to do hard time in prison.

Ever heard of the "fake fight" ruse? It has been used by street criminals at times. One example of it would be where a man and a woman pretend to argue and he starts slapping her around. When some well-meaning bystander sticks his nose in, all the sudden they BOTH turn on him and he wakes up in the alley with nothing but his underwear... if he's lucky.

My point is simply that you'd better know what you're getting into, and be SURE you're doing the right thing, and that part of that is understanding your legal or financial liabilities when you come to the aid of a third party.

G.
 
Isn't the point of having guards is to have someone around to guard the premises and everything and everyone on that premises? Seems like that would be a job description of being a guard but apparently someone doesn't think so. Because security cameras can record what ever the hell is going on and any passer by can call the cops.


First on KING5: Guards stand by during brutal attack | KING 5 TV | Seattle News, Local News, Breaking News, Weather | Local News

SEATTLE - The KING 5 Investigators have uncovered a disturbing video-tape captured on five different security cameras underneath downtown Seattle.

It shows the graphic beating of a teenage girl in Seattle's Metro bus tunnel, while uniformed security guards simply look on.

The trouble started above ground around 7 p.m. on January 28.

According to police reports, a group of teenagers approached a 15-year-old girl they knew inside Macy’s. The encounter turned antagonistic and moved on to the downtown Nordstrom. The group of 10 teenagers allegedly surrounded the girl and gave her a bad time about what she was wearing. According to police, one in the group threatened her by stating, “Bitch, I’ll kill you.”

The security camera video picks up the scene as the group of teenagers are seen heading into the Metro tunnel at the Westlake Station, apparently following the girl who had been threatened. One of the girls in the group, a 15-year-old who attends McClure Middle School in Seattle, approaches and within a few seconds, without warning, she pushes the victim off the platform and into the bus lanes.

The video shows the two girls hitting each other for a few seconds. Then, the scene gets vicious. The young attacker punches the victim in the head and face 10 times.

"It looks like a very egregious assault, which in fact it was," said Sgt. John Urquhart of the King County Sheriff’s Office, which is investigating the case along with Metro Transit Police. "The two were acquaintances, and there probably is some teenage stuff going on (before the attack) but it certainly doesn’t warrant an assault like this by any stretch of the imagination."

The video clearly shows that all of this is taking place right in front of three security guards. They are well marked with bright yellow jackets that have SECURITY written on the back. While the victim is on the ground getting punched, the guards immediately reach for their radios and call for help, but they do little else.

After the victim is punched, the attack gets worse. The suspect then kicks the girl’s face and stomps on her head six times. The guards make no attempt to get in the middle of the girls or to pull the attacker away. One guard is seen in the distance looking on. He never approaches the scene. Another guard turns his back on the assault. The third stands just inches from the girls, looking on.

And the beating isn’t over. The attacker comes back without anyone trying to restrain her and stomps on the motionless girl’s head one final time.

The attacker and her crew of 10 others - eight boys and young men, and two girls - run up the tunnel escalators.

One of them is clutching the purse he stole from the unconscious teen. Two others have stolen her cell phone and iPod.

A woman who witnessed the entire ordeal from her seat in a bus parked in the tunnel talked to KING 5.

"All of the passengers, we were all up against the side looking, like, who is going to do something? Do something, do something!" said the witness. "Why on earth are there three security guards standing there watching it? And actually allowing her to come back and kick her in the head again!"

When the beating is over, you see on the tape that not one guard bends down to see if the victim is breathing or needs help.

"Really? You've got three male security guards and there's a young girl getting kicked in the head, lying on the ground, motionless? And they couldn't do anything? Doesn't seem like security," said the witness.

The guards are not trained police officers or Metro Transit employees. They're contract workers from Olympic Security Services out of Tukwila. KING 5 attempted to reach them today but didn’t receive a return phone call.

According to their contract, the guards are to "observe and report" problems, not to get involved. Metro Transit General Manager Kevin Desmond says that policy is now out of date.
The second amendment believe in it and practice it. The security guards are worthless not to mention cowards, the girl kicking the other girl in the head, well in my book that's assault with intent to murder, I would have shot the attacker after one warning.
 
The second amendment believe in it and practice it. The security guards are worthless not to mention cowards, the girl kicking the other girl in the head, well in my book that's assault with intent to murder, I would have shot the attacker after one warning.

And you would be in prison for shooting an unarmed 15 year old, among other things.
 
You walk past an alley and notice something. Looking down the alley, you see two men fighting. One man pushes the other away and draws a pistol, pointing it at the other man. Thinking you're about to witness a murder, you draw your pistol and point it at the armed man, yelling for him to stop. He sees you pointing a gun at him, and turns his gun towards you. In fear of your life, you shoot him.
What you didn't know: the UNARMED man was attacking the ARMED man, who was a recovering heart patient and drew his own gun because he feared for his life. You just shot a man who was defending himself for the sake of a thug, because you did not have full info about the situation into which you thrust yourself.

I like, so totally agree with you. Look before you leap. I just don't understand why so many want to jump in with guns a blazin'.
 
The second amendment believe in it and practice it. The security guards are worthless not to mention cowards, the girl kicking the other girl in the head, well in my book that's assault with intent to murder, I would have shot the attacker after one warning.

Did you forget about the 8 guy friends of the attacker who were also watching this event? If you pulled a gun and made a move on the attacker, how many of her friends do you think would've also pulled guns and capped your ass for interfering?
 
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