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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You have got to be kidding! As a former police officer you would weigh your liability before the potential saving of a life. Well thank God your a former officer.

    As a Radio Talk show host under threat of death of years and a former politician with a concealed carry permit my first thought is to save a life then worry about the rest. You should know that you don't have to touch anyone to break up a beating and at least in the State of AZ. the threat of death is justification for use of deadly force, or at least the threat of it.

    I have stopped many a fight in my life and have been attacked more than I care to talk about, but when a grown man doesn't know what he would do when confronted with this kind of violence it's no wander the young people are wild in the streets.

    Hey bud, you can bite me.

    You need to walk a mile in my shoes before you go off on me. Or, you could at least reiterate what I said ACCURATELY. (You didn't.)

    Hail did you actually READ my post?

    I have saved lives at risk to my own. I have rushed in without backup to do so. I have faced armed thugs for the sake of a stranger's life. Have you?

    Then STFU and listen.

    I never said I would stand there and let someone get killed and do nothing, as you construed. I said that if I was OFF duty I didn't get involved in minor scrapes. I said that if it DID NOT look like anyone was going to get killed or seriously injured that I might not intervene.

    I said you DAMN sure better know what you're getting into before you jump in. Let me give you an example.

    You walk past an alley and notice something. Looking down the alley, you see two men fighting. One man pushes the other away and draws a pistol, pointing it at the other man. Thinking you're about to witness a murder, you draw your pistol and point it at the armed man, yelling for him to stop. He sees you pointing a gun at him, and turns his gun towards you. In fear of your life, you shoot him.
    What you didn't know: the UNARMED man was attacking the ARMED man, who was a recovering heart patient and drew his own gun because he feared for his life. You just shot a man who was defending himself for the sake of a thug, because you did not have full info about the situation into which you thrust yourself.

    Different States use different criteria about coming to the defense of another person. Some use the "Good Sam" criteria, such that if you were in good faith trying to do the right thing with the info you had, you're ok. Other states use the "Alter Ego" rule, where if you come into a fight on Person A's side, coming to their defense, then you have "stepped into their shoes" and if they are in the wrong, YOU are in the wrong regardless of what you knew or didn't know.

    Do you even know which rule your state uses?

    You need to, if you don't want to do hard time in prison.

    Ever heard of the "fake fight" ruse? It has been used by street criminals at times. One example of it would be where a man and a woman pretend to argue and he starts slapping her around. When some well-meaning bystander sticks his nose in, all the sudden they BOTH turn on him and he wakes up in the alley with nothing but his underwear... if he's lucky.

    My point is simply that you'd better know what you're getting into, and be SURE you're doing the right thing, and that part of that is understanding your legal or financial liabilities when you come to the aid of a third party.

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Isn't the point of having guards is to have someone around to guard the premises and everything and everyone on that premises? Seems like that would be a job description of being a guard but apparently someone doesn't think so. Because security cameras can record what ever the hell is going on and any passer by can call the cops.


    First on KING5: Guards stand by during brutal attack | KING 5 TV | Seattle News, Local News, Breaking News, Weather | Local News

    SEATTLE - The KING 5 Investigators have uncovered a disturbing video-tape captured on five different security cameras underneath downtown Seattle.

    It shows the graphic beating of a teenage girl in Seattle's Metro bus tunnel, while uniformed security guards simply look on.

    The trouble started above ground around 7 p.m. on January 28.

    According to police reports, a group of teenagers approached a 15-year-old girl they knew inside Macy’s. The encounter turned antagonistic and moved on to the downtown Nordstrom. The group of 10 teenagers allegedly surrounded the girl and gave her a bad time about what she was wearing. According to police, one in the group threatened her by stating, “Bitch, I’ll kill you.”

    The security camera video picks up the scene as the group of teenagers are seen heading into the Metro tunnel at the Westlake Station, apparently following the girl who had been threatened. One of the girls in the group, a 15-year-old who attends McClure Middle School in Seattle, approaches and within a few seconds, without warning, she pushes the victim off the platform and into the bus lanes.

    The video shows the two girls hitting each other for a few seconds. Then, the scene gets vicious. The young attacker punches the victim in the head and face 10 times.

    "It looks like a very egregious assault, which in fact it was," said Sgt. John Urquhart of the King County Sheriff’s Office, which is investigating the case along with Metro Transit Police. "The two were acquaintances, and there probably is some teenage stuff going on (before the attack) but it certainly doesn’t warrant an assault like this by any stretch of the imagination."

    The video clearly shows that all of this is taking place right in front of three security guards. They are well marked with bright yellow jackets that have SECURITY written on the back. While the victim is on the ground getting punched, the guards immediately reach for their radios and call for help, but they do little else.

    After the victim is punched, the attack gets worse. The suspect then kicks the girl’s face and stomps on her head six times. The guards make no attempt to get in the middle of the girls or to pull the attacker away. One guard is seen in the distance looking on. He never approaches the scene. Another guard turns his back on the assault. The third stands just inches from the girls, looking on.

    And the beating isn’t over. The attacker comes back without anyone trying to restrain her and stomps on the motionless girl’s head one final time.

    The attacker and her crew of 10 others - eight boys and young men, and two girls - run up the tunnel escalators.

    One of them is clutching the purse he stole from the unconscious teen. Two others have stolen her cell phone and iPod.

    A woman who witnessed the entire ordeal from her seat in a bus parked in the tunnel talked to KING 5.

    "All of the passengers, we were all up against the side looking, like, who is going to do something? Do something, do something!" said the witness. "Why on earth are there three security guards standing there watching it? And actually allowing her to come back and kick her in the head again!"

    When the beating is over, you see on the tape that not one guard bends down to see if the victim is breathing or needs help.

    "Really? You've got three male security guards and there's a young girl getting kicked in the head, lying on the ground, motionless? And they couldn't do anything? Doesn't seem like security," said the witness.

    The guards are not trained police officers or Metro Transit employees. They're contract workers from Olympic Security Services out of Tukwila. KING 5 attempted to reach them today but didn’t receive a return phone call.

    According to their contract, the guards are to "observe and report" problems, not to get involved. Metro Transit General Manager Kevin Desmond says that policy is now out of date.
    The second amendment believe in it and practice it. The security guards are worthless not to mention cowards, the girl kicking the other girl in the head, well in my book that's assault with intent to murder, I would have shot the attacker after one warning.

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    The second amendment believe in it and practice it. The security guards are worthless not to mention cowards, the girl kicking the other girl in the head, well in my book that's assault with intent to murder, I would have shot the attacker after one warning.
    And you would be in prison for shooting an unarmed 15 year old, among other things.
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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You walk past an alley and notice something. Looking down the alley, you see two men fighting. One man pushes the other away and draws a pistol, pointing it at the other man. Thinking you're about to witness a murder, you draw your pistol and point it at the armed man, yelling for him to stop. He sees you pointing a gun at him, and turns his gun towards you. In fear of your life, you shoot him.
    What you didn't know: the UNARMED man was attacking the ARMED man, who was a recovering heart patient and drew his own gun because he feared for his life. You just shot a man who was defending himself for the sake of a thug, because you did not have full info about the situation into which you thrust yourself.
    I like, so totally agree with you. Look before you leap. I just don't understand why so many want to jump in with guns a blazin'.

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    The second amendment believe in it and practice it. The security guards are worthless not to mention cowards, the girl kicking the other girl in the head, well in my book that's assault with intent to murder, I would have shot the attacker after one warning.
    Did you forget about the 8 guy friends of the attacker who were also watching this event? If you pulled a gun and made a move on the attacker, how many of her friends do you think would've also pulled guns and capped your ass for interfering?

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Did you forget about the 8 guy friends of the attacker who were also watching this event? If you pulled a gun and made a move on the attacker, how many of her friends do you think would've also pulled guns and capped your ass for interfering?
    None, minors are not allowed to carry firearms......

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Did you forget about the 8 guy friends of the attacker who were also watching this event? If you pulled a gun and made a move on the attacker, how many of her friends do you think would've also pulled guns and capped your ass for interfering?
    I think risk assment doesn't need to be mention here, we all assume we would do that, which we would. Perhaps the eight would draw down, then again the most likely scenerio is that they would run. I would be willing to take that risk, including being charged with assault.

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And you would be in prison for shooting an unarmed 15 year old, among other things.
    I can't speak for some states but using your foot on some one especially the head is assault with a deadly weapon, and risk to life can be meant with deadly force. Besides I wouldn't shoot to kill, although in this circumstance that can't be guaranteed. I would be willing to take that risk. If this happened in Texas this assault could have be meant with deadly force, and even in Massachusetts the same can apply but you best have a license to carry..

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I think risk assment doesn't need to be mention here, we all assume we would do that, which we would. Perhaps the eight would draw down, then again the most likely scenerio is that they would run. I would be willing to take that risk, including being charged with assault.
    You do that; and if a couple of those guys had a guns, a firefight ensued and a stray bullet from one of those guys hit and killed a 3-yo girl on a nearby bus; I'd have no problem charging the shooter with murder and you with manslaughter.

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I think risk assment doesn't need to be mention here, we all assume we would do that, which we would. Perhaps the eight would draw down, then again the most likely scenerio is that they would run. I would be willing to take that risk, including being charged with assault.
    If I was there I would jump in to help you. Then it would be 8 to 2. Then if there was another equal minded person it would be 8 to 3.

    But true like others say you most likely might be on your own. But what if everyone there jumped in to lend a hand? What if people said this crap wasn't going to happen on their streets.

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