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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Back when I was a cop, and when I was OFF DUTY, I'll tell you what standards I used to decide whether to get involved in something that was going on:

    Anybody I know? If not, that's one in the minus column...
    Felony? If not, I probably won't bother...
    Is anyone likely to get killed or critically injured here? If no, that's another one in the minus column...

    Bearing in mind that if you lay hands on a minor as an adult, you could be charged with assault on a minor, which is a serious matter. Given the circumstances you might well be cleared, LATER... after spending gazillions in lawyer fees.

    What would I have done? Not sure. If I was on-duty, it would depend on my standing orders and SOP's. If off-duty, I would have examined the totality of the circumstances and made a snap judgement. Me being me, I might have stepped in... but on the whole, if there isn't anyone getting killed there are a lot of smart arguments for walking away.

    If you do intervene in such a situation, you had better be SURE you intervened on the right side, and you better HOPE there are witnesses who will back you up on that. Otherwise you are in for a bad year and a lot of court appearances, or worse.

    I'm not saying don't help people; I'm just saying you have to be very very sure that you know what is going on, and very very sure that it is worth it.

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If you do intervene in such a situation, you had better be SURE you intervened on the right side, and you better HOPE there are witnesses who will back you up on that. Otherwise you are in for a bad year and a lot of court appearances, or worse.
    Kind of like we did in Iraq. Jumping in without a clue, no exit plan, and everybody hating us. Years later we are still in court on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Kind of like we did in Iraq. Jumping in without a clue, no exit plan, and everybody hating us. Years later we are still in court on that one.
    Take that garbage somewhere else, it has no place in this thread......

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Back when I was a cop, and when I was OFF DUTY, I'll tell you what standards I used to decide whether to get involved in something that was going on:

    Anybody I know? If not, that's one in the minus column...
    Felony? If not, I probably won't bother...
    Is anyone likely to get killed or critically injured here? If no, that's another one in the minus column...

    Bearing in mind that if you lay hands on a minor as an adult, you could be charged with assault on a minor, which is a serious matter. Given the circumstances you might well be cleared, LATER... after spending gazillions in lawyer fees.

    What would I have done? Not sure. If I was on-duty, it would depend on my standing orders and SOP's. If off-duty, I would have examined the totality of the circumstances and made a snap judgement. Me being me, I might have stepped in... but on the whole, if there isn't anyone getting killed there are a lot of smart arguments for walking away.

    If you do intervene in such a situation, you had better be SURE you intervened on the right side, and you better HOPE there are witnesses who will back you up on that. Otherwise you are in for a bad year and a lot of court appearances, or worse.

    I'm not saying don't help people; I'm just saying you have to be very very sure that you know what is going on, and very very sure that it is worth it.
    You have got to be kidding! As a former police officer you would weigh your liability before the potential saving of a life. Well thank God your a former officer.

    As a Radio Talk show host under threat of death of years and a former politician with a concealed carry permit my first thought is to save a life then worry about the rest. You should know that you don't have to touch anyone to break up a beating and at least in the State of AZ. the threat of death is justification for use of deadly force, or at least the threat of it.

    I have stopped many a fight in my life and have been attacked more than I care to talk about, but when a grown man doesn't know what he would do when confronted with this kind of violence it's no wander the young people are wild in the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Take that garbage somewhere else, it has no place in this thread......
    You need to lighten up from your job as hallway monitor.
    I knew you would all come running. Just couldn't resist.

    The statement that caught my attention was "be very very sure that you know what is going on". And maybe I don't know what previous beefs the two girls had but seeing an unconscious girl being kicked in the face is good enough for me to say Stop and step in.

    Ok,, you can continue to bash me for even dare showing the comparison.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You have got to be kidding! As a former police officer you would weigh your liability before the potential saving of a life. Well thank God your a former officer.

    As a Radio Talk show host under threat of death of years and a former politician with a concealed carry permit my first thought is to save a life then worry about the rest. You should know that you don't have to touch anyone to break up a beating and at least in the State of AZ. the threat of death is justification for use of deadly force, or at least the threat of it.

    I have stopped many a fight in my life and have been attacked more than I care to talk about, but when a grown man doesn't know what he would do when confronted with this kind of violence it's no wander the young people are wild in the streets.
    Yea try that in Chicago or New York where no CCL exist.

    It was 2 girls fighting, everyone else stayed out of it. No threat to life or limb.

    Nice ad-hom as well.
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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    You need to lighten up from your job as hallway monitor.
    I knew you would all come running. Just couldn't resist.

    The statement that caught my attention was "be very very sure that you know what is going on". And maybe I don't know what previous beefs the two girls had but seeing an unconscious girl being kicked in the face is good enough for me to say Stop and step in.

    Ok,, you can continue to bash me for even dare showing the comparison.....
    ****ing media hype. She was covering her face, she was not "unconscious" and was never kicked in the face. Maybe in her hands covering her face.

    Watch the video people, Jesus!
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    You need to lighten up from your job as hallway monitor.I knew you would all come running. Just couldn't resist.

    The statement that caught my attention was "be very very sure that you know what is going on". And maybe I don't know what previous beefs the two girls had but seeing an unconscious girl being kicked in the face is good enough for me to say Stop and step in.

    Ok,, you can continue to bash me for even dare showing the comparison.....
    BS is BS, someone had to say it......

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ****ing media hype. She was covering her face, she was not "unconscious" and was never kicked in the face. Maybe in her hands covering her face.
    Watch the video people, Jesus!
    Ok, I stand corrected. The girl was kicking her hands that was covering her face . Oh well, there couldn't be any real harm there............................................. .... Did you just write that sober?

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    Re: Guards stand by during brutal attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    BS is BS, someone had to say it......
    I could really care less what you think.

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