U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'

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Ted Kennedy tried to specifically outlaw waterboarding, he failed.

To my knowledge, waterboarding is still legal, I think just like any other form of interrogation that happens under extreme duress, it must be signed off on by the Pres and AG, I think that is current law, I'll research that one given time.

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As his daughter 'squirmed' to get away, Tabor said he submerged her face three or four times until the water was lapping around her forehead and jawline.

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That is not waterboarding, but heinous none the less.

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Ethereal said:

For guys in SERE school it's called "training"...

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Learning the acts is "training" performing them in real life scenarios is not.

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Alvin T. Grey said:

And no, it's not trolling.

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Maybe not, but it's still illogical.

Pretty much all of these excuses have been used to justify this exact same proceedure.

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Yea, on terrorists. You know the difference between terrorists and little girls, don't you?

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Gibberish said:

Learning the acts is "training" performing them in real life scenarios is not.

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If by "learning the act" you mean "being waterboarded", then yes, you are correct. Moreover, SERE school is real life; water-boarding does not become less unpleasant because a SERE instructor is doing it to you.

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Hatuey said:

It is not illegal to waterboard people.

Waterboarding is still an option - Los Angeles Times



So what exactly is your point? That it was done to some kid? Reap what you sow I guess.



So then waterboarding is illegal? Either it is legal to engage in it or it is not.

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This little girl wasn't waterboarded


So, again...


FAIL

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Ethereal said:

Maybe not, but it's still illogical.



Yea, on terrorists. You know the difference between terrorists and little girls, don't you?

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When strapped to a board, very little.

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Charles Martel said:

Ted Kennedy tried to specifically outlaw waterboarding, he failed.

To my knowledge, waterboarding is still legal, I think just like any other form of interrogation that happens under extreme duress, it must be signed off on by the Pres and AG, I think that is current law, I'll research that one given time.

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waterboarding is illegal and has been illegal for quite some time. During the Reagan administration a texas sheriff and his deputies were prosecuted and sent to jail for waterboarding suspects.

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Hatuey said:

....we do live in a society where we for 8 years we were constantly told that waterboarding was not torture. I guess some people actually did buy it.

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Oh give me a ****ing break with this bull**** Hautey.

We live in a society where for decades we've been taught holding people prisoner in small cells for years and years upon a time, having interrogations where people are scream at and cursed at, and where a fist fight to solve problems "between men" isn't that uncommon and DEFINITELY not called torture....

So I mean, naturally, by hautey's standards based on that asinine point of rhetoric he tried to make above, we should be locking our children in their rooms until they're 18, screaming at them and cursing at them, and if they're a boy kid we should definitely get into a fight with them anytime something bad happens and we need to solve the problem between men.

I mean, cause its not "torture", so naturally we should do it.

disneydude said:

While I certainly don't in any way condone what this man did....I think we have to recognize that these are the costs that we as a society pay when we overtax our military and send men/women into mission after mission where they are taught these types of things and are told by many that it is not torture and that it is an appropriate use of punishment.
I'm afraid that like Vietnam...we will be paying the costs of GWB's wars in many many many ways like this.

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Really Disney? You have a mental health degree we don't know about? Some great insight into what occured here or the mental health of this person? Do you have some military records for him we're not aware of telling us what he did or what he was taught? Or are you just taking advantage of a childs unfortunante circumstances to spew out your same typical hyperpartisan extreme liberal rhetoric in order to score political points off a horrible incident like this?

I am afraid of a number of things, not that this is going to be like Vietnam, but that this country has more and more people like you in regards to your continual, politics in everything, take ANY moment to score cheap points by making wild near baseless accusations, and to hell with actual discourse or intellectual honesty or objectivity coming out on both sides of the aisle. I worry about that FAR more than I worry about this being an example of a "cost of war"

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Hatuey said:

Oh I do. But I don't think waterboarding is legal so I wouldn't do it.

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Its not a felony to curse at people. I guess you'd tell your kids "**** you dumbass" routinely cause you know, its not illegal.

Its not illegal to insult people. I guess you'd tell your kids "You're worthless pieces of trash, you will do nothing in life, you are horrible, you deserve to die"

Its not illegal to yell at people. I guess you'd scream at your kids in a lunatic rage whenever they did even the smallest thing wrong, cause you know, its not illegal.

Its not illegal to disallow who your kids socialize with. So naturally Hautey when/if you have kids you'll just lock them in the house almost all times possible and allow them no interaction with other human beings cause, you know, again, its not illegal.

Its not illegal to feed people horrible tasting things that give the bare nutrion needed to survive while you force them to sit and watch you eat extravagent large dinners, I'm sure this must then be your nightly activity.

Because, as we've seen here apparently, if its not illegal then by god that's what parents should be doing.

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disneydude said:

While I certainly don't in any way condone what this man did....I think we have to recognize that these are the costs that we as a society pay when we overtax our military and send men/women into mission after mission where they are taught these types of things and are told by many that it is not torture and that it is an appropriate use of punishment.
I'm afraid that like Vietnam...we will be paying the costs of GWB's wars in many many many ways like this.

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So its the military's fault? :doh

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:

So its the military's fault? :doh

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No, man, it's Bush's fault. The Liberals learned a long time ago to keep their hatred for the military under wraps.

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apdst said:

No, man, it's Bush's fault. The Liberals learned a long time ago to keep their hatred for the military under wraps.

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All this article was was some jackass taking a sick tragic event and use it to bring up waterboarding.


This poor girl was not waterboarded but dont let that stop some jackasses from writing an article about waterboarding.

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I don't even care about him making a big point of waterboarding, unless as you say she didn't actually GET waterboarded. But if she did, yeah, make a big deal of it cause no father should ever do that to a child.

What gets my goat though, almost as much as these, are people attempting to take a horrific incident like this and immedietely spin it, exaggerate it, make outlandish completely BASELESS accusations, for no other reason than to score political points and immedietely start chewing on the bone they always want to gnaw on. I find it AMAZINGLY hillariously sad and pathetic too when people who bitch every time someone dies and someone is classless by using it as an immediete excuse to rip someone would come in here and use this horrific story of this girl to immedietely start ripping into political positions that has NO FACTS backing up the fact it had anything to do with this.

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Zyphlin said:

I don't even care about him making a big point of waterboarding, unless as you say she didn't actually GET waterboarded. But if she did, yeah, make a big deal of it cause no father should ever do that to a child.

What gets my goat though, almost as much as these, are people attempting to take a horrific incident like this and immedietely spin it, exaggerate it, make outlandish completely BASELESS accusations, for no other reason than to score political points and immedietely start chewing on the bone they always want to gnaw on. I find it AMAZINGLY hillariously sad and pathetic too when people who bitch every time someone dies and someone is classless by using it as an immediete excuse to rip someone would come in here and use this horrific story of this girl to immedietely start ripping into political positions that has NO FACTS backing up the fact it had anything to do with this.

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exactly, from the inflamatory picture to the use of waterboarding terms, this article is shameless in its abuse of this incident.

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During a police interview Tabor allegedly admitted grabbing his daughter, placing her on the kitchen counter and submerging her face into a bowl of water

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This is not "waterboarding".

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disneydude said:

While I certainly don't in any way condone what this man did....I think we have to recognize that these are the costs that we as a society pay when we overtax our military and send men/women into mission after mission where they are taught these types of things and are told by many that it is not torture and that it is an appropriate use of punishment.
I'm afraid that like Vietnam...we will be paying the costs of GWB's wars in many many many ways like this.

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we pay a cost for every war we fight. unfortunately, these days, that cost doesn't seem to apply to most of our elected leaders.

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apdst said:

No, man, it's Bush's fault. The Liberals learned a long time ago to keep their hatred for the military under wraps.

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baseless accusation.

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Oh what the ****.

Okay, that teaches me for not reading the article more closely and just believing what it said at teh start.

So stupid ****ing dumbass dad shoved his daughters face underwater as if to drown her because she's afraid of water and he's an jackass.....and we're calling that "waterboarding".

I officially detest this writer with every fiber of my body. The obviousness now that he wrote this article not giving a DAMN about the child or what happened at her and was only salvating at the thought of using the terms waterboarding, torture, and CIA in a negative light. Seriously...I can't explain how just enraged this makes me.

There is nothing, NOTHING, more disgusting and ugly in politics then **** like this.

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Zyphlin said:

Oh what the ****.

Okay, that teaches me for not reading the article more closely and just believing what it said at teh start.

So stupid ****ing dumbass dad shoved his daughters face underwater as if to drown her because she's afraid of water and he's an jackass.....and we're calling that "waterboarding".

I officially detest this writer with every fiber of my body. The obviousness now that he wrote this article not giving a DAMN about the child or what happened at her and was only salvating at the thought of using the terms waterboarding, torture, and CIA in a negative light. Seriously...I can't explain how just enraged this makes me.

There is nothing, NOTHING, more disgusting and ugly in politics then **** like this.

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why is everyone so worked up over what this is called?

the guy DID torture his daughter, and should be punished, as should his imbecilic gf.

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liblady said:

why is everyone so worked up over what this is called?

the guy DID torture his daughter, and should be punished, as should his imbecilic gf.

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I am going to start calling your posts "waterboarding" from now on..... :ssst: :2razz:

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:

I am going to start calling your posts "waterboarding" from now on..... :ssst: :2razz:

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knock yourself out.

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liblady said:

why is everyone so worked up over what this is called?

the guy DID torture his daughter, and should be punished, as should his imbecilic gf.

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Normally I wouldn't. The guy is horrible and should be punished to the full extent of the law and frankly I wouldn't shed a tear if it went beyond that.

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the reason people are getting worked up over what its called is because you have the author of the story and people in this thread using this girls horrific incident as a means to do nothing but bash the military, bash Bush, bash conservatives, and start hyper partisan grandstanding about waterboarding using this as their basis for it, when that isn't what even happened here.

All it really does is show they didn't give a damn about what happened to this child and simply saw it as a means to get on their political soap box.

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Zyphlin said:

Normally I wouldn't. The guy is horrible and should be punished to the full extent of the law and frankly I wouldn't shed a tear if it went beyond that.

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the reason people are getting worked up over what its called is because you have the author of the story and people in this thread using this girls horrific incident as a means to do nothing but bash the military, bash Bush, bash conservatives, and start hyper partisan grandstanding about waterboarding using this as their basis for it, when that isn't what even happened here.

All it really does is show they didn't give a damn about what happened to this child and simply saw it as a means to get on their political soap box.

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So, in other words, people should talk about what actually happened, and not use it as an excuse to bitch about their favorite targets? Such an unreasonable expectation...

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Zyphlin said:

Normally I wouldn't. The guy is horrible and should be punished to the full extent of the law and frankly I wouldn't shed a tear if it went beyond that.

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the reason people are getting worked up over what its called is because you have the author of the story and people in this thread using this girls horrific incident as a means to do nothing but bash the military, bash Bush, bash conservatives, and start hyper partisan grandstanding about waterboarding using this as their basis for it, when that isn't what even happened here.

All it really does is show they didn't give a damn about what happened to this child and simply saw it as a means to get on their political soap box.

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i didn't see the over the top behavior you've described. i saw some opinions which were most certainly elicited by the verbiage in the article.


and the soldier clearly has mental issues, caused by deployment or not.

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Which is why I can't stand the actual writer of the story. The people in this thread I can at least a little bit forgive, though that's like a penny out of a dollar, because they were just going off of what the story was pushing as its tag line which was OMG! WATERBOARDINGZ!. Even I fell for it initially seeing the title, seeing the first line, and not really doing more than skimming the rest.

So with them I'm only annoyed they're using the story to push a political point with baseless accusations and flimsly logic. With the author of this not only is he doing that, but he's doing that by completely ignoring the fact that he's writing falsehoods in his story.