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U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'

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American said:
Well it didn't take long for the partisan hackers to arrive. :roll:
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Yes, you are here. ;)
 
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Hatuey said:
The legality of waterboarding has depended on the claim that since it is not torture, then it is not only legal but allowable. If it is legal & allowable to waterboard somebody because it is not torture then I really do not see a problem with this at all. It is corporal punishment 21st century style.
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Do you think you'll ever return to the topic?
 
Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

Has there been some study that troops who serve in war have a higher rate of child abuse? Somehow I highly doubt it.
 
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Charles Martel said:
Obviously.....ths difference is that the 4 year old is very likely to have information vital to the national intereests of the United States. She would...at 4 years old...have life or death information that would be critical to extract as soon as possible and under extreme duress if necessary.

Putting her on restriction was clearly not enough. It's obvious between the g and h in the alphabet she couldn't recite...that there was secret info on training camps and networks of murdering religious fanatics. Threatened with having no iPhone upon growing up, she started to crack but....only got to the f in the alphabet.

The difference is that KSM was an innocent Mosque assessment engineer who was praying for peace when Pakistan troops burst down his door and sold him to Americans for drug money. Whereupon the monster Bush threw him into a hole and stole his human rights.

This...girl...is clearly a traitor and a terrorist. The difference, Hatuey, is that most people don't care about this lil 4 year old Benedict Arnold. Your fears and sympathy in the correct place here, your query "which is what" quite sound
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Well said.

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towski said:
Soldier father accused of 'waterboarding' daughter, 4, because she can't recite alphabet | Mail Online

A crying shame. :(
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This is a very sick and disturbed thing to do but what does this story have to do with the fact that the so called "father" is a soldier. I saw a CNN story that said " Irag Veteran " held daughter's head under water to force her to "say her letters".

I was P'O'd about that also because I want to know from CNN what the hell does his status as a soldier or a Vet have anything to do with the fact that the guy is a moron.

I recall in the first 20 years or so after Vietnam that the media would ID a wrong doer as a Vietnam Veteran. Sure we all robbed banks and did drugs after we came home.!!!!!
 
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aps said:
Has there been some study that troops who serve in war have a higher rate of child abuse? Somehow I highly doubt it.
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As noted in another post I experieneced reading the same crap in the media about Vietnam Vets after Vietnam. The media made it appear that we were all drug crazed savages who were not fit to live in society.

Oh don't worry about the fact that 99.99 % of us Vietnam Vets and I am positive same for Iraq/Afghanistan vets came home, went back to school.back to work, started a career, got married, raised a family, started a business, worked our butts off, paid our taxes, obeyed all laws except traffic rules, and were and are normal citizens.

Yet the F-ing media just doesn't want to expose the truth the the masses.
 
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I am against waterboarding and yes, I think it is torture. However in this case it is a clear case of child abuse and the article focuses on waterboarding in a way to score political points IMO.

This is a tragedy nonetheless. Child abuse is a terrible thing.
 
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Jerry said:
PTSD's a bitch :(
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Are you seriously blaming this moron's behavior om PTSD ? maybe he is a whack job and would have been one regardless of the fact that he is a vet.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Goes to show you just because you put on a uniform it doesn't automatically make you a "hero" contrary to what you hear. I've always contended calling everyone in the military a heroes cheapens the real meaning of the word that applies to the real military heroes. I've know a few troops I wouldn't trust my dog to. But I still respect 99.999 of the troops as I was one myself once and I commend their sacrifices.

That said, I'm not making excuses for the man, but have to wonder if he was deployed, and if so did it have any effect on him.
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Any form of stress may indeed trigger a person who has a latent instability to do something bad or very bad as in this case. Yet having said that the stress that can trigger this does not have to be miliatry service or combat service.

Stop blaming the action a a whackjob on the military.
 
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Charles Martel said:
Was torture for her. She's 4.

For a cutthroat terrorist, no so much. That difference so glaring.
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I can see your point. If you kill an inocent person that is murder. If you kill a scumbag, you just killed a scumbag, nothing more.
 
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I dont know if anyone has posted this yet...

But Im sure water boarding children is much more effective than spanking.

we all know how effective and non-torturous it is...:rofl
 
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SE102 said:
I dont know if anyone has posted this yet...

But Im sure water boarding children is much more effective than spanking.

we all know how effective and non-torturous it is...:rofl
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Actually I have encountered some parents who should have been or should be waterboarded.
 
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Naw a hard labor camp would be enough for them.
 
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Yelm, Wa is very close to where I live in Olympia, WA. This nutcase should be examined very closely. He is deeply troubled.

It's bizzare that people are calling this a waterboarding situation. He did stick her head under the kitchen sink but I haven't heard the local GI's talking about it as if he was commiting a waterboard act.

Nevertheless, this girl will be damaged over this type of abuse. How can people do such harm to children? :(
 
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He was probably just "training" her. :cool:
 
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other said:
The very few who do so in the military did so in SERE lvl C, prior to all the contraversy. And yes, I have been to SERE training, if that's what you're asking. They do things there to benefit soldiers in training, they don't teach it-- and all the instructors are trained medical personnel, who wouldn't have to be taught in special technique (such knowledge follows any basic knowledge of human anatomy).

Point being: this scumbag, obviously unstable, probably saw it on TV. Otherwise, he'd be one of the very few medical specialists who was an instructor at SERE, who all undergo psychological evaluations regularly--not likely.
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They havent been doing waterboarding at SERE level C for at least 3 years if they ever have done it there. Which I have some doubts about.
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
Any form of stress may indeed trigger a person who has a latent instability to do something bad or very bad as in this case. Yet having said that the stress that can trigger this does not have to be miliatry service or combat service.

Stop blaming the action a a whackjob on the military.
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Never did.
 
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ADK_Forever said:
He was probably just "training" her. :cool:
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Yes he did her a favor. She'll think twice about being a terrorist when she grows up. :Oopsie
 
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aps said:
Has there been some study that troops who serve in war have a higher rate of child abuse? Somehow I highly doubt it.
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Yes. Lots of them.
Here's one:

Military Deployment Stress Tied to Child-Abuse Increase

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/17/8.1.full



And as a military dependent during the Vietnam era I can tell you I went to school with some really f'k up kids that were also Army brats like myself. Lots of suicide attempts, self mutilation, fights in school, drugs, you name it. I didn't see anything near that amount when I transferred to an school that the parents were civilians.
 
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Gibberish said:
Would this be considered torture for the little girl or just abuse?
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For guys in SERE school it's called "training"...
 
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Hatuey said:
....we do live in a society where we for 8 years we were constantly told that waterboarding was not torture. I guess some people actually did buy it.
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Suppose it is...what difference does it make? Are you saying that torture is categorically immoral? What about killing or maiming?
 
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But but but It's not torture! Its hazing....We do it to our own troops! Whats good for them is good for everyone! Why do you hate the troops!?

I always wanted to do that.

Besides I bet he got a confession from the kid. So I guess it doesn't matter seeing as he got good actionable intel vis-a-vis which teacher was a screw up. "Ends and means etc".

And no, it's not trolling. Pretty much all of these excuses have been used to justify this exact same proceedure.
 
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