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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A significant percentage of the male pouplation drinks, and its shown that a percentage of people that drink can be violent. Why didn't Disney rail against that a possability?

    A part of the population, in general, has rage and anger issues. That could've caused it. Why didn't Disney rail against that possability?

    A part of the population, in general, has mental issues. That could've caused it. Why didn't Disney rail against that possability?

    A part of the population was abused as children leadin to being poor parents themselves. That could've causd it. Why didn't Disney rail against that possability.

    And through all those, why didn't Disney state with certainty and definitiveness that those are the reasons?

    Why? Because that didn't suit his political agenda and his hyper partisan desire to get on a soap box and use this situation for all its worth to push his bone to pick. But of course, its one you agree with, so naturally you don't see anything "over the top" about it, because apparently to you its completely reasonable and understandable to not assume, but to state as if its fact, that the military, GWB, and our stance on waterboarding caused this man to push his daughters face into a bowl of water.
    you saw my post, and i have no agenda.

    what we know: the man is an iraq veteran
    the man is disturbed enough to torture his daughter

    what we DON'T know: details of his childhood
    his drinking habits


    maybe that's why disney didn't rant agoinst those things.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you saw my post, and i have no agenda.

    what we know: the man is an iraq veteran
    the man is disturbed enough to torture his daughter

    what we DON'T know: details of his childhood
    his drinking habits


    maybe that's why disney didn't rant agoinst those things.
    And yet the VAST majority of Iraqi Veterans don't torture thier children. Yet you still seem its not "over the top" not to suggest, not to imply, but to directly say as if fact that the MILITARY, GWB's War, and our stance on waterboarding CAUSED this to happen.

    Sorry. There's nothing more to discuss here. The fact you don't see that notion as over the top speaks volumes about your partisanship and its obviously through this discussion you're not going to relent on your assertion so there's no where else to take this really.

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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And yet the VAST majority of Iraqi Veterans don't torture thier children. Yet you still seem its not "over the top" not to suggest, not to imply, but to directly say as if fact that the MILITARY, GWB's War, and our stance on waterboarding CAUSED this to happen.

    Sorry. There's nothing more to discuss here. The fact you don't see that notion as over the top speaks volumes about your partisanship and its obviously through this discussion you're not going to relent on your assertion so there's no where else to take this really.
    i guess i've become desensitized because of all the over the top hyper partisanship on this site. seems quite normal, really.
    Last edited by liblady; 02-12-10 at 04:19 PM.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    When strapped to a board, very little.
    You cannot see the difference between harming a little girl and harming a terrorist? That's very disturbing.

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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is not "waterboarding".
    Yeah, but it wouldn't be much of a story if he hadn't invoked the W word.

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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Goes to show you just because you put on a uniform it doesn't automatically make you a "hero" contrary to what you hear. I've always contended calling everyone in the military a heroes cheapens the real meaning of the word that applies to the real military heroes. I've know a few troops I wouldn't trust my dog to. But I still respect 99.999 of the troops as I was one myself once and I commend their sacrifices.

    That said, I'm not making excuses for the man, but have to wonder if he was deployed, and if so did it have any effect on him.
    Not too many people said that putting on a uniform automatically makes one a hero. The point is that the fact that this disturbed person is in the military is a mear coincidence and not a factor is this particular horrible behavior of his. What I have been P'O'd about is the media and misguided people trying to link waterboarding to this sad incident. This is not about waterboarding this is about a bad disturbed individual doing something very eveil to his child.
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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Never did.
    I will re-read your posts but from the first pass through it sure sounded as if you did.
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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, yes I am.
    If you want to use generic PTSD as a trigger and I emphsize trigger for his behavior I can understand that. What I do not agree with is blaming this on the "father" being a military man or a Veteran. PTSD is not unique to military service since there are many traumatic events out side of military service that can be attributed to PTSD.

    PTSD whether as a result of military servcie or events not connected with military service are a trigger for behavior and not the cause. A person who has a character flaw or some form of emotional or mental instability may do things that are triggered by PTSD but they must have had that flaw or character trait already. Also if they happen to be be military or former military all that means is that they brought those traits or character flaws into the millitary with they. The military is not a casue of their bad traits or character flaws.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You cannot see the difference between harming a little girl and harming a terrorist? That's very disturbing.
    When strapped to a board neither pose much of a threat. I see no difference in torturing either. Neither do I see much point. Unless your aim is not to gather intelligence but to punish or avenge.

    And that is the very deffinition of a barbarian at best and of a ****ing coward at worst.
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    Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alpha

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Suppose it is...what difference does it make? Are you saying that torture is categorically immoral? What about killing or maiming?
    No. I am saying that justifying torture with legal arguments has directly lead to this. Murdering somebody isn't legal. Killing somebody in a battlefield has been declared not only allowable but - gasp - legal. Waterboarding somebody against their will is as established by the last administration legal. It is not even torture remember? What difference does it make who it is applied on if it is not torture and legal? Why the double standards?
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