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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Homosexuals were banned from the military before 1982. Ronald Reagan didn't address the matter. It was military policy. Why should he?
    So then you admit DADT really had nothing to do with Clinton? Good.

    I know. It's all a vast right-winged conspiracy, but look at the following:

    Skelton opposes repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell' - TheHill.com

    How do you explain a Democrat being against this policy, or for that matter coming up with the idea in the first place?
    Why don't you try doing research on your examples of "Democrats" before you go talking about what is "right wing" and "left wing".

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Skelton]Ike Skelton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Skelton is generally described as a moderate-to-conservative Democrat. He sides with social conservatives on hot-button social issues such as abortion, crime, gun control, and gay rights, but on the economic front his record is more varied as he is strongly supportive of labor.[4] Skelton has a mixed record on environmental issues with his most recent rating from the League of Conservation Voters at 53 percent. He was one of the few Congressional Democrats to vote in favor of CAFTA and mostly supports free trade deals. Skelton voted against the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

    Before the election, Skelton told Newsweek's George Will that his main priority as chair of the Armed Services Committee was "oversight, oversight, oversight!" While he voted for the War in Iraq, he has expressed serious misgivings about troop readiness. He favors reducing the number of troops in Iraq and even supports redeploying a brigade from Iraq to Kuwait. Will suggested that under Skelton, the Armed Services Committee would resemble a U.S. Senate committee created to examine defense spending during World War II. This committee was chaired by Skelton's hero, Harry S. Truman.[5]
    I think just looking him up on Wiki would have explained to you why a "Conservative Democrat" as opposed to a "Liberal Democrat" would vote for such a law. Being a Democrat doesn't make you "left wing" on social issues.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do you believe that discrimination is moral?
    Absolutely.

    I can't think of any reason why the Marines don't put people like Helen Keller on the front lines.

    Not hiring deaf-mutes is as blatant a case of discrimination as any I've ever seen.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, but is it discrimination to not allow men into a women's bathroom based on their gender?
    Absolutely.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's not the issue here, no matter how hard you attempt to pidgeon hole it into that.
    That is the issue here.

    People who are not men want access to, among other things, the bunk rooms, the showers, and the toilet facilities assigned to men in the military.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Absolutely.
    The key here, I think, is that not all discrimination is wrong and immoral.

    The decision as to which discriminatory practices are wrong and/or immoral is one of opinion.
    Education.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Absolutely.

    I can't think of any reason why the Marines don't put people like Helen Keller on the front lines.

    Not hiring deaf-mutes is as blatant a case of discrimination as any I've ever seen.
    You have now compared homosexuality to physical disabilities. You prove every day you are not a real person. By the way, do you know if Malcolm X was a mute too?
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The key here, I think, is that not all discrimination is wrong and immoral.

    The decision as to which discriminatory practices are wrong and/or immoral is one of opinion.
    "Discrimination" is a word that means "make a choice".

    That's it.

    And, since no one has a right to serve in the US military, as the exclusion of physically disabled and psychologically ill people shows, and since (they're gonna ban again me for this) since homosexuality is a form of mental illness, be it genetically or environmentally derived, then excluding yet another class of mentally ill applicants is not in itself some immoral form of discrimination, but perfectly reasonable.

    The Left should constrain it's failed social engineering experiments to their own clubs, and leave the safety of the nation to the professionals.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Discrimination" is a word that means "make a choice".

    That's it.

    And, since no one has a right to serve in the US military, as the exclusion of physically disabled and psychologically ill people shows, and since (they're gonna ban again me for this) since homosexuality is a form of mental illness, be it genetically or environmentally derived, then excluding yet another class of mentally ill applicants is not in itself some immoral form of discrimination, but perfectly reasonable.

    The Left should constrain it's failed social engineering experiments to their own clubs, and leave the safety of the nation to the professionals.
    I bet you can't prove this.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Discrimination" is a word that means "make a choice".

    That's it.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And, since no one has a right to serve in the US military, as the exclusion of physically disabled and psychologically ill people shows, and since (they're gonna ban again me for this) since homosexuality is a form of mental illness, be it genetically or environmentally derived, then excluding yet another class of mentally ill applicants is not in itself some immoral form of discrimination, but perfectly reasonable.
    Change that to "...since homosexuality is a different mental state from heterosexuality, and some people are of the opinion that it is a mental illness."
    I don't necessarily agree. And many other people with varying forms of mental illness serve, depending on how you define mental illness.
    I know this guy who would probably define the mental state of anyone volunteering for the Marines as "ill".
    Education.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You have now compared homosexuality to physical disabilities. You prove every day you are not a real person. By the way, do you know if Malcolm X was a mute too?
    Who's Malcolm the Tenth?

    He got a last name so's we can google him?

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