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Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

digsbe said:
And homosexuals already use mens bathrooms and there isn't any bad consequence unless they were to state they were homosexual (and thus making people uncomfortable), this is why DADT is essential for gays to be in the military. Right now there is no problem with gays in the military because no one knows who is gay unless they tell someone or do some sort of homosexual act. My rational isn't saying to lie, it's saying to keep things quiet so no one feels uncomfortable, violated, or put in inappropriate situations. Essentially, don't ask if someone is gay, and don't tell if you are gay. This way everyone can serve and no one feels uncomfortable/violated. To serve and be openly gay would make many uncomfortable living, showering, and sharing facilities with that homosexual person for obvious reasons. We have male and female facilities for the same reason why we shouldn't allow openly gay individuals in the military, it makes people uncomfortable and is not appropriate.
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Talk about living in a state of denial. As a straight man, wouldn't you prefer to know who is gay and who is not when you are in the showers? Personally, I don't care. I don't get all freaked out over nudity....but if you do...wouldn't you prefer to know? Are you really saying that living in a state of denial is the best of all worlds?
Can you NOT see who deranged that thinking is? Essentially you are arguing that "ignorance is bliss". Why is it that those on the right are always advocating for less education and less information?
 
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Hatuey said:
You have now compared homosexuality to physical disabilities. You prove every day you are not a real person. By the way, do you know if Malcolm X was a mute too?
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Same logic as those who compared the black civil rights movement to gays in the military, apples to oranges.
 
Hatuey said:
So then you admit DADT really had nothing to do with Clinton? Good.
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Homosexuals being banned from the military has been around for as long as I can remember, before WWII and before that. Homosexuality has been frowned on by all political parties, just so you lefties don't try to pin it on us crazy right wingers.

Why don't you try doing research on your examples of "Democrats" before you go talking about what is "right wing" and "left wing".

Ike Skelton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think just looking him up on Wiki would have explained to you why a "Conservative Democrat" as opposed to a "Liberal Democrat" would vote for such a law. Being a Democrat doesn't make you "left wing" on social issues.
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Such a reliable resource that Wikipedia. The Left loves it so they can use it to rewrite history. Just look at it. If you don't like what's written, you can go in and edit it to your heart's content. You need a better resource than the most edited resource on the Internet. People start questioning your knowledge when you continually quote from Wikipedia.

Yep, there's all kinds of liberals and conservatives. I have a definition for the left-leaning conservatives, though. If you lean that far over, join the Democrat Party, you're not a true conservative.
 
From CBS, complete with interview:

Openly Gay Soldier Dan Choi Back in Uniform

Lt. Dan Choi, who was discharged from the military for revealing he is gay under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, is back in uniform.

According to The Bilerico Project, Choi was supposed to lead a workshop on ending "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Friday but sent his regrets because he had been called up to train with his National Guard unit.

"Apparently, Lt. Choi's commander has always been in full support of him, and even after Lt. Choi came out on The Rachel Maddow Show, his commander did not press for his discharge," writes Jeff Sheng, who posted pictures of Choi in training. "The military did eventually serve Lt. Choi a discharge notification - essentially firing him from his job, but he was allowed to fight this at trial, and as it currently stands, the discharge has not been finalized."

"Given the current state of how DADT is in such flux, and also, in my opinion, the prominence and celebrity of Lt. Choi, his discharge might never be fully enforced," adds Sheng.
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Charles Martel said:
That's a 20th century reality only. The Revolutionary War, the Barbary Wars, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Civil War, all saw American warriors heavily outnumbered.
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Thanks, that made my day.
 
The real question is, what legal precedence do they have for ignoring the law? If they can ignore this law, that opens the door for some clown to come along and ignore any other law he wants.
 
Alvin T. Grey said:
Its a civil war. Both sides were American so how were they outnumbered?
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The Confederates were greatly outnumbered in most engagements...and still came damn close to winning the war.
 
apdst said:
The real question is, what legal precedence do they have for ignoring the law? If they can ignore this law, that opens the door for some clown to come along and ignore any other law he wants.
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While I agree that I can't think of a legal precedence for this, I am almost positive that this happened at the highest levels. Choi has been the most outspoken opponent of DADT and has been on the national stage about the issue.

It is not an accident that he was re-called.
 
kansaswhig said:
While I agree that I can't think of a legal precedence for this, I am almost positive that this happened at the highest levels. Choi has been the most outspoken opponent of DADT and has been on the national stage about the issue.

It is not an accident that he was re-called.
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There's no doubt that word came from high up the ladder. However, no one in the chain of command has the authority to just kick the law aside and do what they want.

I'm betting that this was done, just to see check the fall out. If there isn't an excessive amount of flack because of it, then the avenue of approach to allowing gays to serve openly in the military will be to just simply ignore the law.
 
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bicycleman said:
Are you here to discuss this topic or to attack me?
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Ah, here comes the persecution complex again.

As for the rest of your argument, that you posted further down the thread, I have to say you aren't doing much to help make your case. The fact that god (or natural selection, for that matter) created men with a penis and women with a vagina has absolutely NOTHING to do with the civil rights struggles of the United States.
 
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samsmart said:
This is like saying that before desegregation, when blacks couldn't serve in combat units in the U.S. military, it was their fault that they couldn't fight because if they really wanted to fight they wouldn't have been born black.
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Apples to oranges comparison again. The blacks were born that way. Gays are not. It is something they make a choice to be.

Regarding civil rights, blacks couldn't hide the fact that they were black, but gays could hide their gayness, so what civil rights have gays ever been denied?
 
bicycleman said:
Apples to oranges comparison again. The blacks were born that way. Gays are not. It is something they make a choice to be.

Regarding civil rights, blacks couldn't hide the fact that they were black, but gays could hide their gayness, so what civil rights have gays ever been denied?
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So why can I do something a woman can not do? That is not equal rights.
 
samsmart said:
Because most of those Log Cabin Republicans are fiscal conservatives or paleo-conservatives, not social or religious conservatives. Just because a person is a conservative doesn't mean they agree with all other conservative philosophies.
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Actually, they are conservatives in name, only.
 
bicycleman said:
Apples to oranges comparison again. The blacks were born that way. Gays are not. It is something they make a choice to be.
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That's a matter of some debate, as you well know.

bicycleman said:
Regarding civil rights, blacks couldn't hide the fact that they were black, but gays could hide their gayness, so what civil rights have gays ever been denied?
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That's sort of the point of civil rights, Bicycleman. NOT having to hide...
 
towski said:
That's a matter of some debate, as you well know.



That's sort of the point of civil rights, Bicycleman. NOT having to hide...
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I understand your point, but if one keeps his mouth shut about his preferences, he doesn't have to worry about his or her civil rights. He never lost them because they have always been there.

What's next civil rights for child molesters?
 
towski said:
Ah, here comes the persecution complex again.

As for the rest of your argument, that you posted further down the thread, I have to say you aren't doing much to help make your case. The fact that god (or natural selection, for that matter) created men with a penis and women with a vagina has absolutely NOTHING to do with the civil rights struggles of the United States.
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Feel free to troll at will, I'm not one of those who runs to mommy, but I have seen your activity before.

My case is that I outlined the proper use of those parts. Anything else is deviant behavior whether it's hetero or homosexual behavior. Now, the US Legislative branch can deem that homosexuality is normal behavior, but that doesn't make it normal. Passing laws don't change a thing.

The black man can't go in the closet and hide his race, nor can he go to a doctor to get treatment. He was born that way. Gays made the choice to be gay, but they could go to a psycologist/psychiatrist to get treatment for their affliction and become normal, but many don't or won't. They would rather claim their civil rights have been violated. What violation? If they don't want to come in for treatment, they can hide what they are and never have to worry about loss of any freedoms. The black man couldn't turn himself white.
 
bicycleman said:
I understand your point, but if one keeps his mouth shut about his preferences, he doesn't have to worry about his or her civil rights. He never lost them because they have always been there.

What's next civil rights for child molesters?
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Child molestation is illegal. Homosexuality is not. Why should a homosexual have to "keep his mouth shut"?
 
towski said:
Prove it. Put up or shut up.?
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Prove what, that the anus is used for anything other than expelling waste?

Black people have had civil rights for many years, and especially now since Obama is President.
 
towski said:
Child molestation is illegal. Homosexuality is not. Why should a homosexual have to "keep his mouth shut"?
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If he wants to stay in the military, he might want to keep his mouth shut. It's the law, you know.
 
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