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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not hard at all. Look at the list of all of the gay people who have been discharged under DADT and what they brought to the table:

    "The military has discharged almost 800 mission-critical troops and at least 59 Arabic and nine Farsi linguists under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in the last five years." - servicemen's legal defense network.
    That was because they violated the law.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    That was because they violated the law.
    Good thing we are changing such a dumb law. You can do that when a law causes more harm than good.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It was a compromise. Clinton wanted to do away with the policy banning gays altogether but Congress went to the Republicans, so it was the best he could do.
    Or, it was a campaign promise used for donations and votes and then when it came time to bat, Clinton backtracked to DADT, he knew it wouldn't cost him a single vote, he knew he'd never be referred to as a homophobe, most importantly, he knew he had thousands of apologists such as CT here who would make "best he could do" excuses for him.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Or, it was a campaign promise used for donations and votes and then when it came time to bat, Clinton backtracked to DADT, he knew it wouldn't cost him a single vote, he knew he'd never be referred to as a homophobe, most importantly, he knew he had thousands of apologists such as CT here who would make "best he could do" excuses for him.
    Clinton didn't have the support. He said as much in his speech recently where he talked about why he signed DOMA. When you are a politician, if you want to get anything done, you have to go where the support is. He has nothing to gain now from telling people what his views on these issues are.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    You guys are still hitting up the right-wingers for being the cause of the discrimination policy. How do you explain the fact that there are gay right-winged conservatives?
    Because most of those Log Cabin Republicans are fiscal conservatives or paleo-conservatives, not social or religious conservatives. Just because a person is a conservative doesn't mean they agree with all other conservative philosophies.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Good thing we are changing such a dumb law. You can do that when a law causes more harm than good.
    How do you know it caused harm? It may have ruined some careers, but the gays knew about the law, yet they chose to violate it by either coming out of the closet and announcing themselves or getting caught in the act. They only have themselves to blame. Did they think they were going to get a pass because they came out and admitted it? If they had kept their mouths shut, they'd still be serving our country.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Because most of those Log Cabin Republicans are fiscal conservatives or paleo-conservatives, not social or religious conservatives. Just because a person is a conservative doesn't mean they agree with all other conservative philosophies.
    Disneydude was lumping all conservatives into one pot and calling everyone right-winged nuts. I guess he doesn't see the various levels.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    How do you know it caused harm? It may have ruined some careers, but the gays knew about the law, yet they chose to violate it by either coming out of the closet and announcing themselves are getting caught in the act. They only have themselves to blame. Did they think they were going to get a pass because they came out and admitted it? If they had kept their mouths shut, they'd still be serving our country.
    This is like saying that before desegregation, when blacks couldn't serve in combat units in the U.S. military, it was their fault that they couldn't fight because if they really wanted to fight they wouldn't have been born black.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    When you are a politician, if you want to get anything done, you have to go where the support is.
    But, that's when you're a politician. When you're a leader, you do what you think is right.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually I think the Spartans were the best fighting force in the world. They managed to hold off several million Persians with an allied force of under 10,000 for three days in the Battle of Thermopylae. And boy oh boy, did those Spartans ever have homosexuals in their military.
    And, how did things eventually turn out for the Spartans?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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