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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Pedophiles are the one with the problem, not me. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, I could care less what they do.
    What about heterophiles? And, let's not act as if there's no such thing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are you dense?
    I'd have to be petrified to reach your level

    I mean seriously, what the hell are talking about? An adult having sex with a child is not comparable to an adult having sex with another consenting adult. The former is harmful, the latter is not. You are making an irrelevant comparison. If pedophiles aren't out molesting kids, then I could care less what they are doing because they aren't hurting anyone. How does a gay person having sex with a consenting adult hurt you or anyone?
    What you and countless others who take your position fail to understand is that you just made a value judgment on a behavior.

    First your criteria for behavior was Pedophiles are the one with the problem, not me. As long as they aren't hurting anyone, I could care less what they do.

    Remember when you said this?

    Then when confronted with this you said: An adult having sex with a child is not comparable to an adult having sex with another consenting adult. The former is harmful, the latter is not.

    That is the value judgment. You just judged a behavior because you find it objectionable. There is no difference between your judgment and those who find homosexuality objectionable. Both are made from a moralistic standpoint. That is why your "live and let live" phrase is pure BS. You would interfere with NAMBLA or other sick organizations like this proving your claim to live and let live is pure crap.

    What is the evidence that has been used to deny gays equality to begin with? You guys were the ones who created discriminatory laws to begin with that were based on emotion rather than evidence. We are only trying to do away with those faulty policies and laws.
    Because homosexuality hasn't been proven to be anything more than a choice. You can scream and holler all you want but the evidence isn't there to put it on equal footing with heterosexuality. Just because your emotions get in the way doesn't take the place of factual evidence.

    You can't call it discriminatory practice when you can't even prove it isn't a choice.

    No, you just made yourself look like an idiot by comparing consenting sex between adults to child molestation. As I said, I could care less what people do with their lives as long as they aren't hurting others. That is the principle of live and let live.
    The only idiocy being spout here is your own when you can't come to terms that the moral choice you made on pedophilia is the same criteria those who are against homosexuality make.

    Its amazing no matter how many times this is explained you still don't get it.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Dude, I feel sorry for you. But I'm not going to waste my time casting pearls before swine. As I said, I could care less what other do as long as it doesn't hurt me or others. That isn't a value judgment, that is the golden rule. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Even Jesus Christ said it, as did hundreds of philosophers before him. And that is the basis for live and let live. As long as no one is doing anything to harm me or others then I could care less what they do.

    You are the one that has some sort of problem with gays. Even though what gays do in the bedrooms harms no one and even though gay marriage has no affect on your marriage, you still obsess yourself with gays and controlling what they do. And that is why I feel sorry for you. You live your life concerning yourself with controlling others when they are doing nothing to hurt you. I find that to be pretty pathetic. Furthermore, to justify it in your own mind, you compare that situation, to one that is inherently harmful, pedophiles molesting children. But however you need to delude yourself to continue your power hungry existence is fine by me. I could care less because it doesn't affect me.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You can't call it discriminatory practice when you can't even prove it isn't a choice.
    Religion is a choice. Political orientation is a choice. Which hand you usually use is a choice. What types of food you enjoy is a choice. Who you fall in love with is a choice.

    Creating laws that restrict people based on any those choices would be discriminatory. Perhaps you should actually read the definition of discriminatory...

    Discriminatory: prejudiced: being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand

    Nothing in that definition that says you can't be discriminatory against a choice. The question is whether it is rational discrimination or irrational discrimination. And I have yet to hear an argument for rational discrimination against gays and lesbians.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You accuse me of being emotional, but your own pride keeps you from admitting that America isn't exactly peachy keen on gays.
    Pride? America isn't "peachy keen" (gay term by the way) on many things. It's not even "peachy keen" on military benefits, but you don't see me getting emotional and teary. The absence of utopia has a way of creating imperfection. I never stated that gays have a perfect America.

    But if "admitting" this makes you feel better.......Gays do not have a perfect America! ...but they aren't placed on trial and murdered either.


    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Furthermore, you ignored my point that American social conservative influence has actually perpetuated the animosity towards gays in many other countries.
    I "ignored," because there's nothing to argue against. This is like arguing against the fact that Christianity hasn't influenced many countries over the course of history. I bet even Tom Cruise has been a vessel to influence people across the globe into Scientology.

    You just have to come to terms. Blacks and women have had to declare their equality also. Why should gays be any different in an alpha male society? And if you think American male civilians are of the "alpha male" stereotype.....imagine the facts of this in the Marine Corps.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Dude, I feel sorry for you. But I'm not going to waste my time casting pearls before swine. As I said, I could care less what other do as long as it doesn't hurt me or others.
    But you obviously do or you would accept ALL alternative lifestyles and clearly you do not which is why your live and let live statement is so incredibly hypocritical.

    That isn't a value judgment, that is the golden rule.
    LOL You're still doing it just using a different name for it. Unbelievable.

    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Even Jesus Christ said it, as did hundreds of philosophers before him. And that is the basis for live and let live. As long as no one is doing anything to harm me or others then I could care less what they do.
    But thats already been exposed as a lie because you clearly object to certain alternative lifestyles. I wish you would actually stop and think just for a second.

    You are the one that has some sort of problem with gays. Even though what gays do in the bedrooms harms no one and even though gay marriage has no affect on your marriage, you still obsess yourself with gays and controlling what they do. And that is why I feel sorry for you. You live your life concerning yourself with controlling others when they are doing nothing to hurt you.
    and now here come the lies. I don't care what they do in the bedroom. But when emotional zealouts like yourself want to change LAW to make their lifestyle equal to what the societial norm is, I want evidence not emotion to justifiy that change in the law. You however don't seem to care about that. You only want what your emotions want, and to tell with proving homosexuality isn't a choice and therefore unequal to heterosexuiality.

    If you had done even the smallest amount of research you would have found that I fully support civil unions for homosexuality but you are too busy with your narcissistic rant to actually evaluate the facts.

    Not that I'm surprised though.

    I find that to be pretty pathetic. Furthermore, to justify it in your own mind, you compare that situation, to one that is inherently harmful, pedophiles molesting children. But however you need to delude yourself to continue your power hungry existence is fine by me. I could care less because it doesn't affect me.
    If you don't want to debate just say so.

    I grow weary of people too pompous and self righteous to really stop and think about what they are saying.

    You made a foolish mistake with your live and let live BS answer and I called you on it to point out the incredible hypocritical nature of that claim.

    Live and let live never holds up to scrutiny because someone will always find something that the person who made the claim will object to and want to stop which is why is it just a simpleton phrase devoid of any real meaning.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Religion is a choice. Political orientation is a choice. Which hand you usually use is a choice. What types of food you enjoy is a choice. Who you fall in love with is a choice.

    Creating laws that restrict people based on any those choices would be discriminatory. Perhaps you should actually read the definition of discriminatory...

    Discriminatory: prejudiced: being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand
    Not when it comes to law and sexual preference. Do you think you can actually stay within the context of the argument just for a little while?

    Nothing in that definition that says you can't be discriminatory against a choice. The question is whether it is rational discrimination or irrational discrimination. And I have yet to hear an argument for rational discrimination against gays and lesbians.
    Using your defintiion once again you display your incredible ignorance of using that argument since it would apply to any and all alternative lifestyles. Aren't they all a "choice" too? If you use choice as an excuse to change the law nothing can be excluded. But that would of course force you to actually think about what you are proposing and we certainly cannot have that.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But you obviously do or you would accept ALL alternative lifestyles and clearly you do not which is why your live and let live statement is so incredibly hypocritical.
    I accept anyone who isn't hurting me or anyone else. They can do whatever they want with their life and I'll live my own. It's as simple as that. I can't imagine how you find that to be hypocritical, but I have found you aren't exactly the most rational person.

    You are trying to get me to say I object to pedophilia. I don't. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. What I object to is the behavior of adults having sex with children. That is harmful, and therefore not comparable to consenting adults having sex.

    If you can't understand something so simple, then you truly are deluded and there is no help for you.
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Using your defintiion once again you display your incredible ignorance of using that argument since it would apply to any and all alternative lifestyles. Aren't they all a "choice" too? If you use choice as an excuse to change the law nothing can be excluded. But that would of course force you to actually think about what you are proposing and we certainly cannot have that.
    That is why laws should be based on rational. There was no rational behind sodomy laws so they were overturned. There is no rational behind denying two people of the same sex the right to a civil marriage. Whether or not it is a choice doesn't even come into play.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I accept anyone who isn't hurting me or anyone else. They can do whatever they want with their life and I'll live my own. It's as simple as that. I can't imagine how you find that to be hypocritical, but I have found you aren't exactly the most rational person.

    You are trying to get me to say I object to pedophilia. I don't. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. What I object to is the behavior of adults having sex with children. That is harmful, and therefore not comparable to consenting adults having sex.

    You really are rich. That is like saying you don't object to homosexuality but you do object to two men having sex.

    Congratulations. You just demonstrated the textbook definition of hypocrisy.

    BTW, homosexuality was and is to some people still a mental disorder. But that doesn't matter right? Only YOUR moral choice matters and any hypocrisy in clinging to that choice to apply to everyone is just acceptable to you. LOL Talk about arrogant.


    If you can't understand something so simple, then you truly are deluded and there is no help for you.
    And I can't believe you are still having trouble with the basic concept of moral judgment.

    You think adults having sex with children is wrong. Thats a moral choice. Some people object to two men having sex with each other. That is ALSO a moral choice. Please for the love of God see the connection here. I can't make it any plainer.
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