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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Repealing the law is going to cause more harm than good.
    Like it did in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland,
    United Kingdom, and Uruguay?

    Because I've not read any articles about any of their militaries falling apart as a result of lifting the ban on gays serving.

    Or do you prefer to be in the company of these freedom-loving nations:
    Cuba, China, Egypt, Iran, Jamaica, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Serbia, Syria, Turkey, Venezuela, and Yemen?

    Seriously, which nations look predominantly like nation's that respect liberty and freedom - and which community of nations look a little backwards and NOT bastions of liberty.

    That's the company you keep.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Like it did in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland,
    United Kingdom, and Uruguay?
    How many of those armies have been real battles lately?

    The last time Argentina was in a fight, thy got their asses severely handed to them.

    Same goes for Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Lituania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Romania and Peru.

    Switzerland and Sweden haven't been a in a war, of any sort in several centuries.

    The last war that the Spanish were in was the Spanish Civil War. Neithr side would have prevailed in even that war, without outside intervention...LOL!!!

    Not a very good track record.

    The Sturmabtelung had alotta gays, too. Ernst Rohm was gay. He was a great guy. How did that all turn out??

    And, before you break the whole homophobe crap, remember that you can't only accept the history that supports your POV and ignore the rest.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Like it did in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland,
    United Kingdom, and Uruguay?

    Because I've not read any articles about any of their militaries falling apart as a result of lifting the ban on gays serving.

    Or do you prefer to be in the company of these freedom-loving nations:
    Cuba, China, Egypt, Iran, Jamaica, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Serbia, Syria, Turkey, Venezuela, and Yemen?

    Seriously, which nations look predominantly like nation's that respect liberty and freedom - and which community of nations look a little backwards and NOT bastions of liberty.

    That's the company you keep.
    Ooh. That was an uppercut. You gonna enlist?

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Ooh. That was an uppercut. You gonna enlist?
    I think we all know the answer to that one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think we all know the answer to that one.
    Couldn't even if I wanted to. But my father was at Gitmo during Bay of Pigs, my Uncle was a bombardier in WWII, my other uncle lost his life in Vietnam. My brother-in-law is a career Navy guy.

    So, my family has a long history with the military and I understand the culture well.

    None of your belly-aching speaks to the fact that you prefer your country to behave like Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, and North Korea instead of nations like Israel, the UK, Canada, and Australia.

    And Argentina got its ass kicked BEFORE they allowed gays in the military.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Couldn't even if I wanted to. But my father was at Gitmo during Bay of Pigs, my Uncle was a bombardier in WWII, my other uncle lost his life in Vietnam. My brother-in-law is a career Navy guy.

    So, my family has a long history with the military and I understand the culture well.

    None of your belly-aching speaks to the fact that you prefer your country to behave like Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, and North Korea instead of nations like Israel, the UK, Canada, and Australia.
    I believe the whole thing is as ridiculous as females in the Infantry because both have nothing to do with gays or women.

    Ever notice how the loudest protestors and "belly achers" are always those civilians and politicians who have no notion of joining or going through the hardship they are forcing others to do on behalf of their platforms? Always the axe grinders who stand as far away as possible. No female in the military wants to live the hardship of a Grunt, but it is those who "speak for them" who force the issue. It's no different for gays. No gay activist is standing in line to put on a uniform. And no gay in the military wants to be singled out for some politician's agenda. It is going to be very hard on them. But they will go through it so that people like you can read about it from afar and feel better about yourselves.

    When it is time for this, it will happen. This won't be the first cultural change in the military. However, this will be the first cultural change that occurred in the civilian sector first. While Civilians were segregating blacks and whites in schools and in public places, the military was integrating patrols in the jungle. While civilians were patting their secretaries on their asses, the military was promoting them to Colonel.

    So let's not pretend that our country is held back because of the institution of the military. You make reference to Iran and others? How foolish of you. Gays are not murdered and hanged for being gay in America. Gays live quite openly without fear of persecution in America. But an old rule, which you civilians have spent decades wishing enforced, is suppsed to make us behave like Iran? Bit dramatic. It's you civilians that have historically been the pains in the asses and the military that represented the best of you abroad.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And Argentina got its ass kicked BEFORE they allowed gays in the military.
    Are you aware that two World Wars and a Cold War was won in a time when gays were not allowed to serve? What's your point? Or was this just more dramatics?
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It's you civilians that have historically been the pains in the asses and the military that represented the best of you abroad.
    Hats off to the military for defending this country during WWII. Off course they couldn't have done it without civilian support back home; but hey, that's another story.

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    No gay activist is standing in line to put on a uniform. And no gay in the military wants to be singled out for some politician's agenda. It is going to be very hard on them. But they will go through it so that people like you can read about it from afar and feel better about yourselves.
    Really? Facts much?

    I mean this thread is ABOUT a gay activist who is in the military, so that alone makes your statement that no gay activists want to be in the military patently false.

    Since DADT has ejected more than 13,000 soldiers, it says to me that a lot of gay people want to serve their country.

    Look, it's simply going to happen. All the top military brass know it. That's why they're simply phasing it in.

    In the end it's going to be fine. And everyone will wonder what all the fuss is about.

    Only the cultural conservatives will occasionally point out some bumps in the road and pretend that our military is collapsing - when it's going to be fine.

    Our country and society makes adjustments all the time and it ALWAYS progresses.

    Massachusetts passed gay marriage quite some time ago. They're still on the map and still have one of the highest rates of marriage and lowest divorce rates in the country.

    And I note that you still refuse to address that we're keeping company NOT with our allies but with many of our enemies with a policy like this. Why, if we are to be at the forefront of liberty and freedom do we keep company with dictators and not with our allies of democracy?

    You keep refusing to address that point. Why?

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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many of those armies have been real battles lately?
    Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Lituania, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Romania and Peru.
    Let's see. Countries fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan:

    UK, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Netherlands, Australia.

    Does that answer your question?
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    Re: Outspoken gay activist called back to active Army duty

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Really? Facts much?

    I mean this thread is ABOUT a gay activist who is in the military, so that alone makes your statement that no gay activists want to be in the military patently false.
    I believe you are smart enough to see what my point was. But let's replace "no" with an extreme few shall we? That way you are less argumentative.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post

    Since DADT has ejected more than 13,000 soldiers, it says to me that a lot of gay people want to serve their country.
    It tells me that until it was forced, gays in the military were normally left alone. DADT was a civilian's attempt to shine a rainbow over the military, but what they got was a military that was forced to deal with individuals who now had a way out.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post

    Look, it's simply going to happen. All the top military brass know it. That's why they're simply phasing it in.
    I believe I have stated as much for years. Why...I even stated it in my last post. Stop being argumentative.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And I note that you still refuse to address that we're keeping company NOT with our allies but with many of our enemies with a policy like this.
    I addressed it. I noted that you delivered an "uppercut." But as I have seen from your above remarks, you are a literal individual. How exactly would you like me to phrase it? Stop being argumentative.


    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Why, if we are to be at the forefront of liberty and freedom do we keep company with dictators and not with our allies of democracy?
    We do keep company with dictators....as do our allies.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You keep refusing to address that point. Why?
    I addressed your point. I even noted your dramatics. You are being argumentative. Why?
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